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Posted on 04/18/2010 9:49:35 PM PDT by Judith Anne
I seriously wonder about some FReepers, sometimes. Any other person accused of a crime would be defended by every FReeper as being innocent until proven guilty by a court of law. I've seen whole threads written by men who have been accused of child abuse by ex-wives out to deny them their visitation rights or to wrest more money out of them. These men are rightly indignant, and furious about the unjust accusations that cannot be proven but are never withdrawn.
Yet where are those FReepers when a PRIEST is accused? Where is the presumption of innocence? Suddenly, every accusation becomes a verdict, and not only the accused but his entire organization and all its adherents are held responsible.
I can only wonder what some of these so-called conservatives (who so faithfully defend the Constitution) would do, if THEY were the ones accused! It is a nightmare for any man -- all of you know how even the accusation stains the man forever, even if it is proven false!
Not only that, many here assert that the problems of 30, 40 and even 50 years ago must be tried in the media TODAY!
Remember the Duke rape case? There are more similarities than differences here. The priests are accused, nifonged, and instead of being defended, they are vilified!
What other man of you could stand under the weight of such an accusation trumpeted by the press, and come out whole? None! And such accusations made, LONG after the statute of limitations has passed, sometimes even after the accused is dead and buried for YEARS -- are YOU one of those who automatically, reflexively, spitefully, and gleefully act as judge, jury, and executioner?
Women! What if it were YOUR HUSBAND, YOUR BROTHER, YOUR FATHER, YOUR UNCLE, YOUR SON who was accused? Wouldn't you want the best defense possible? Wouldn't YOU believe in their innocence? Wouldn't YOU help protect your loved ones as much as possible? And yet, YOU JUDGE THE CHURCH FOR DOING WHAT YOU WOULD DO?
Shame! Vast shame! On all who have sinned against the innocent!
Again, more obfuscation and denial of complicency in the sin by non-Catholic clergy. Have you no shame?
Your post #390 asked me nothing. Your post #388 asked me the question, and I quote:
Wouldn't you agree that those who exploit the victims for political or sectarian purposes are nearly as guilty as those who exploit them for sexual gratification?Point "i" in my post 399 summarized your charge.
Silence in regards to abuses by clergy shows a lack of care and concern for the victims. Speaking out in regards to abuses by clergy is exploiting the victims in order to harm others.My post #389 shows your 26 attempts to post about abuses within my church. By your logic, I should be deafened by your thread posting history, which shows you've never posted a single thread about the abuse problems that occured within your own church. Indeed, one might deduct from said history a "lack of care and concern for the victims". One might deduct a greater concern for politics than for church matters of any kind.
So what was the purpose in attempting 26 posts about another's church abuse issues, if not to (in your words) "exploit the victims for political or sectarian purposes"?
My purpose was to illustrate that the abuse scandal is not an exclusively Catholic issue but a human failing that affects all faiths and organizations that are made up of imperfect people. Where we differ is that I have worked "in my own back yard" to address the problem and expressed compassion for all victims, not just those of the Catholic clergy. You on the other hand lurk almost exclusively on Catholic subject threads and take every opportunity to re-exploit the victims in service to your anti-Catholic agenda. Denying that molestation scandals have occurred in Calvinist organizations is just plain lying.
That ‘best defence is good offence’ doesn’t work either.
Haven’t posting here for long, but I don’t intend on posting again. Comments and attacks here on this site...can’t call ourselves christians. We can agree to disagree...not even worth explaining.
The world is in chaos, total chaos and if we can’t even be repectful and cordial to each other, than we are no better off then the rest of the world. We call ourselves Christians..no wonder people have left the faith. It’s pretty disgusting actually...
Its not about offense or defense, it is about your denial and subsequent culpability. Your denomination will not end the problem until well meaning people like you speak up and publicly denounce it instead of joyfully pointing to the mote in your brother Christian's eye.
Which is, of course, why you've made so many posts and threads about the abuses that have occured within your own church. Gotcha.
Where we differ is that I have worked "in my own back yard" to address the problem and expressed compassion for all victims, not just those of the Catholic clergy. You on the other hand....
And how would you know what I've done in my own backyard? Have you been spying on me? Usually when someone spies on me, I get phone calls from heavy breathers, asking me what kind of underwear I have on.
You on the other hand lurk almost exclusively on Catholic subject threads and take every opportunity to re-exploit the victims in service to your anti-Catholic agenda.
"Almost exclusively"??? I've made a total of 3,187 threads and 12,683 in-thread posts over nine years. So you've read all of them, and can accurately summarize my entire nine-year posting history with that one statement? "Almost exclusively" and "every opportunity" would mean a sizeable majority of those will be about abuse scandals.
I think I've just been Nifonged!
You know, it's funny that just four short months ago - almost to the day - you were saying
And then just yesterday you were sayingI am a Catholic and a conservative American. I have never felt any anti-Catholic bias from Free Republic or any of the moderators. There are a handful of posters that are chronic anti-Catholics but they are few and simply letting them spool out their thoughts is repudiation enough. Like the saying goes, I may not agree with what they say, but I will defend to the death their right to say it.
503 posted on 12/22/2009 10:33:45 PM PST by Natural Law ("Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" Gal 4:16)
Your professed ability to detect "anti-Catholic bias" and "anti-Christian agendas" is suspect, to say the least.Don't get your expectations up too much. I have learned how to navigate with and around the inherent anti-Catholic bias of FR.
Denying that molestation scandals have occurred in Calvinist organizations is just plain lying.
Who's denied it? When? I've made a total of 3,187 threads and 12,683 in-thread posts up until now. Show me the one(s) in which I denied it.
I don’t call child rapists and molesters my Christian brothers.
Are you insinuating that all Catholics are child rapists and molesters and not your brothers in Christ?
Ditto - regardless of what Catholic/Orthodox church or Protestant/Evangelical denomination that they try and hide within.
...But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler--not even to eat with such a one.
Paul to the Corinthians, 1 Corinthians 5:11 [NASB]
My comment was in clear and simple English and insinuating of nothing.
Now I must go work on my well meaning yet shameless agenda.
P.S. If some of the comments here are posted by those who believe “justfication by faith” then that is reason enough for me to believe what I believe. Wish it was that easy...
Saves a packet of grief when the Bible is followed, doesn’t it? Jesus even outlined the steps to be taken at Matthew chapter 18....Cheers.
You're obviously not referring to Alex Murphy since you're asking him the question. I doubt you use that term for Judith Anne. So that leaves me as the person you are labeling as "Reichbishop."
The last post you made calling me a "Reichbishop" was removed by the Religion Moderator.
Roman Catholic apologists break the rules consistently. Stop breaking the rules.
lol. Thanks, Alex. Their own words reveal the absence of compassion, discernment and a heart of flesh.
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