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Posted on 04/18/2010 9:49:35 PM PDT by Judith Anne
I seriously wonder about some FReepers, sometimes. Any other person accused of a crime would be defended by every FReeper as being innocent until proven guilty by a court of law. I've seen whole threads written by men who have been accused of child abuse by ex-wives out to deny them their visitation rights or to wrest more money out of them. These men are rightly indignant, and furious about the unjust accusations that cannot be proven but are never withdrawn.
Yet where are those FReepers when a PRIEST is accused? Where is the presumption of innocence? Suddenly, every accusation becomes a verdict, and not only the accused but his entire organization and all its adherents are held responsible.
I can only wonder what some of these so-called conservatives (who so faithfully defend the Constitution) would do, if THEY were the ones accused! It is a nightmare for any man -- all of you know how even the accusation stains the man forever, even if it is proven false!
Not only that, many here assert that the problems of 30, 40 and even 50 years ago must be tried in the media TODAY!
Remember the Duke rape case? There are more similarities than differences here. The priests are accused, nifonged, and instead of being defended, they are vilified!
What other man of you could stand under the weight of such an accusation trumpeted by the press, and come out whole? None! And such accusations made, LONG after the statute of limitations has passed, sometimes even after the accused is dead and buried for YEARS -- are YOU one of those who automatically, reflexively, spitefully, and gleefully act as judge, jury, and executioner?
Women! What if it were YOUR HUSBAND, YOUR BROTHER, YOUR FATHER, YOUR UNCLE, YOUR SON who was accused? Wouldn't you want the best defense possible? Wouldn't YOU believe in their innocence? Wouldn't YOU help protect your loved ones as much as possible? And yet, YOU JUDGE THE CHURCH FOR DOING WHAT YOU WOULD DO?
Shame! Vast shame! On all who have sinned against the innocent!
Not sure. The PCUSA which is the largest Presbyterian group in the US, is in a race with ELCA, the Methodists, the Episcopalians and the various other mainstream denominations as to who will self destruct first.
There are a number of presbyterian groups, the OPC is supposed to be the most conservative and scripturally correct, iirc.
Not even they claim that. They only claim that they are ONE (or a few) of the most conservative and correct Presbyterian groups, depending on the time of day, their mood, and whatever is on for dinner.
:)
With their heads buried in the sand they are presenting a most appealing target to the perverted amongst their clergy.
(If I used big, colorful fonts, center justification, carriage returns when no appropriate, non sequiturs, and animated cartoon characters that post would have been positively Quixotic....INDEED)
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. - Deut 4:2
But if he will not hear [thee, then] take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell [it] unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. - Matthew 18:15-17
God's Name is I AM.
Mary isn't dead.
BWAHAHAHA.... Nobody is jealous of the numbers, prestige, history and spiritual fidelity of the Catholic Church because we all realize that it's not the church that saves, that numbers mean nothing, that prestige is only being a respecter of persons, which is condemned, that their history is nothing to brag about, and that their spiritual fidelity is to itself, not the Bible.
Thus Rome erred when it concocted its fictitious papal government around a disciple who not only denied Christ three times, but who was seriously admonished by Paul for his teaching error.
But the way of the Roman Catholic apologist is to demand evidence, and once they get that evidence, they demand more evidence. Yadayadayada.
When you find any Scripture showing Peter correcting Paul, you let us know.
As all failed Catholics well know, God preserved Mary free from all stain of sin, but as a human she needed a Savior as well, Who was her Son, Jesus Christ.
And I am certain that anyone who has been a Catholic for very long knows about Immaculate Conception.
Would you require your child to forgive a penitent molester?
Anyone who has died on this world is dead to us and no longer lives in this physical plane.
Going outside of that to contact those who have died their physical deaths is condemned in Scripture and that command has never been rescinded.
There is NOTHING in NT Scripture that commands us to to pray to those who have died in this world. To do so is to participate in spiritism and seances.
The whole Mary worship doctrine is totally unsupported by any teaching in the Bible.
Very well put.
Thx.
Absolutely.
Because GOD ALMIGHTY DOES.
I believe you know the prayer . . .
OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN . . .
FORGIVE US OUR SINS
AS WE
FORGIVE THOSE WHO SIN AGAINST US.
There’s no qualifiers for opting out in that prayer.
That is twisted.
Include me IN! AMEN!
I’m aware of those doctrines and also aware that there is zero Scriptural support for them.
None.
Nada.
Nothing.
You are following dangerous false teaching in promoting as fact accounts that have no true to back them up. You simply cannot make up stories about people and expect people to accept them just on your or your church’s say so.
Where are the Bible verses that state that Mary was without sin? That she was kept free from the stain of sin? That she was always a virgin? That she bodily ascended as Christ did? That she is the mother of the church? That she is ruler of hell?
So in the OPC vernacular 'often' means 'once'. Is this correct?
Thus Rome erred when it concocted its fictitious papal government around a disciple who not only denied Christ three times, but who was seriously admonished by Paul for his teaching error.
A single error. Once. And Peter accepted it. The Church continues, individual men err. The Church is the Church of Jesus, Created by Him and Commissioned by the Holy Spirit at Pentecost. The Church is not a church of men, created by a splinter of a splinter of a splinter of a splinter of the decision to walk away from the Church at the Reformation.
But the way of the Roman Catholic apologist is to demand evidence, and once they get that evidence, they demand more evidence. Yadayadayada.
The way of the Catholic apologist is ensure that the definitions of words like 'often' used in antiCatholic posts are correct, and don't mean other things, like 'once'.
I believe it’s very hazardous
to call
VERY VERY PLAIN SCRIPTURE
twisted.
Particularly if any history of BITTERNESS is involved.
How could ANYONE demand that a child forgive an abuser? Haven’t we heard how devastating it can be, to be abused? Do you demand that the parents also forgive the penitent abuser? How can anyone be certain that the abuser is truly penitent?
I have expressed before that if anyone ever harmed one of my children I would be in jail and the molester would be dead. I don’t hear anything from the OPC that makes me want to change my mind.
For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. - Matt 6:13-14
Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive [them], and ye shall have [them]. And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses. – Mark 11:24-26
That is why Christians should never bring a lawsuit for damages:
Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren? But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather [suffer yourselves to] be defrauded? Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that [your] brethren. - I Corinthians 6:1-8
God's Name is I AM.
Yes, well to clarify, I regard your demand that a child forgive his/her molester to be twisted. Not scripture. Your demand.
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