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Nifonging the Catholic Church
me ^ | April 18, 2010 | vanity

Posted on 04/18/2010 9:49:35 PM PDT by Judith Anne

I seriously wonder about some FReepers, sometimes. Any other person accused of a crime would be defended by every FReeper as being innocent until proven guilty by a court of law. I've seen whole threads written by men who have been accused of child abuse by ex-wives out to deny them their visitation rights or to wrest more money out of them. These men are rightly indignant, and furious about the unjust accusations that cannot be proven but are never withdrawn.

Yet where are those FReepers when a PRIEST is accused? Where is the presumption of innocence? Suddenly, every accusation becomes a verdict, and not only the accused but his entire organization and all its adherents are held responsible.

I can only wonder what some of these so-called conservatives (who so faithfully defend the Constitution) would do, if THEY were the ones accused! It is a nightmare for any man -- all of you know how even the accusation stains the man forever, even if it is proven false!

Not only that, many here assert that the problems of 30, 40 and even 50 years ago must be tried in the media TODAY!

Remember the Duke rape case? There are more similarities than differences here. The priests are accused, nifonged, and instead of being defended, they are vilified!

What other man of you could stand under the weight of such an accusation trumpeted by the press, and come out whole? None! And such accusations made, LONG after the statute of limitations has passed, sometimes even after the accused is dead and buried for YEARS -- are YOU one of those who automatically, reflexively, spitefully, and gleefully act as judge, jury, and executioner?

Women! What if it were YOUR HUSBAND, YOUR BROTHER, YOUR FATHER, YOUR UNCLE, YOUR SON who was accused? Wouldn't you want the best defense possible? Wouldn't YOU believe in their innocence? Wouldn't YOU help protect your loved ones as much as possible? And yet, YOU JUDGE THE CHURCH FOR DOING WHAT YOU WOULD DO?

Shame! Vast shame! On all who have sinned against the innocent!


TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: denialnotrivernegypt; excuses; falseaccusations; koolaidcatholics; moralrot; moredeflection; nifong
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To: Natural Law
The poor old fools don't even realize that after all of this time and effort they have not budged one Catholic one inch further away from the Catholic Church or themselves one inch closer to God.

They have seduced the weak and the foolish to the dark side. There are several here who brag of causing sheep to leave the fold of Jesus in favour of their own particular shepherd. Yet, there are many on here who have given their own stories of how it was through adversity or through examples of Catholic faith, that they finally put aside family and friends, gave it all up, and followed Christ, as He instructed us. They took up their cross and followed Him. I am humbled to see the extent of their own sacrifice. They exemplify the commands of Christ more than I.

1,781 posted on 04/25/2010 7:48:11 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

“”We see many of the fools and the fooled.””

Yes ,Mark. This is why Prayer at Adoration is so important.

We must be vigilant in prayer for these people for hearts to change


1,782 posted on 04/25/2010 7:48:20 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: Quix; metmom

And I am in agreement with that prayer!


1,783 posted on 04/25/2010 7:50:03 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
lol. I have lots of those “sects” comments. I’ll lend you a few.

Anything I can do to help! I can ignore 'em with the best of 'em! ;o)

1,784 posted on 04/25/2010 7:52:04 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: MarkBsnr
"They have seduced the weak and the foolish to the dark side."

The imputability or responsibility for an action can be diminished or nullified by ignorance, duress, fear, and other psychological or social factors. If they were truly foolish or feeble then they will be forgiven. If they were never devout they were never really Catholics to begin with.

1,785 posted on 04/25/2010 8:00:40 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: MarkBsnr; Natural Law
The poor old fools don't even realize that after all of this time and effort they have not budged one Catholic one inch further away from the Catholic Church or themselves one inch closer to God.

I am happy to state that through God's leading in my search for truth, I have moved miles away from the Catholic Church and closer to the Lord. It was by reading the Gospel for myself and God's Spirit illuminating his truth of salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

1,786 posted on 04/25/2010 8:00:57 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: stfassisi
God allowed Nestorious tongue to rot in his own mouth for saying such heresies.

I suppose that if you worship Mary, it would be heresy. However, since all have sinned and come short of the glory of God and Mary is just a human being as the rest of us are, while she is highly favored and blessed in that she was chosen to bear the Messiah, there is NOTHING, not one thing in Scripture that supports the Catholic teachings about her and things like her perpetual virginity and alleged immaculate conception. She was not sinless.

She is NOT the mother of the church. There is NO Scripture basis for that at all.

Essentially, she had the right lineage. I don't doubt that there could have been many other women could have been as well qualified to bear the Messiah except for that.

1,787 posted on 04/25/2010 8:01:07 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: boatbums; Quix

Thank you both.

And with that, I will bid you adieu for the night.


1,788 posted on 04/25/2010 8:02:59 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
She was not prettier than me.

says, "You've gotta be kidding, right?"

1,789 posted on 04/25/2010 8:07:26 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: boatbums
I am happy to state that through God's leading in my search for truth, I have moved miles away from the Catholic Church

Fortunately for your soul, we are going metric.

God's Spirit illuminating his truth of salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

Odd. That's what the Church teaches.

Given that, I may be able to inform you of what the Church actually is, rather than what the old ladies of both sexes and all ages of the Protestant Reformation claim it is.

1,790 posted on 04/25/2010 8:14:34 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: boatbums

THX THX.

LIKEWISE FOR YOU AND YOURS.

I appreciate your kind response and affirmation.


1,791 posted on 04/25/2010 8:20:51 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: stfassisi
We must be vigilant in prayer for these people for hearts to change.

We have a long and labourious task. Even the good burghers of Geneva fell to such as this.


1,792 posted on 04/25/2010 8:21:55 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: boatbums
"I am happy to state that through God's leading in my search for truth, I have moved miles away from the Catholic Church and closer to the Lord."

OK, but I made an exception for the feeble or not devout.

1,793 posted on 04/25/2010 8:22:27 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: metmom

INDEED.

AND

God could have raised up a suitably righteous woman of the right lineage from any old rock in the area just as He could have raised up children of Abraham from said rocks as Christ said.


1,794 posted on 04/25/2010 8:22:56 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Natural Law
The imputability or responsibility for an action can be diminished or nullified by ignorance, duress, fear, and other psychological or social factors. If they were truly foolish or feeble then they will be forgiven.

Then there is hope for many here. God be praised.

If they were never devout they were never really Catholics to begin with.

That saddens me, since that encompasses so many.

1,795 posted on 04/25/2010 8:27:40 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I don’t believe that I have ever labelled the OPC a ‘sect’. The correct term would be ‘cult’. You’re welcome.


1,796 posted on 04/25/2010 8:28:56 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Natural Law
Fortunately for God and mankind those views are only held by a lunatic fringe in the Calvinist cults.

Would the last phrase not be redundant? And as for the first, we are called on to be our brothers' keeper. Even the odd brother that soils himself and is kept in the nursing home for his own and also society's protection.

1,797 posted on 04/25/2010 8:34:10 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Mark, your occasional snarky remarks, in response to no question posed to you, are noted.

And then forgotten.

1,798 posted on 04/25/2010 8:34:49 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Quix
God could have raised up a suitably righteous woman of the right lineage from any old rock in the area just as He could have raised up children of Abraham from said rocks as Christ said.

Could have, would have, should have. The point is that He did what He did. And Mary said what?

Luke 1: 38 Mary said, "Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord. May it be done to me according to your word." Then the angel departed from her.

Mary told the angel that she would do what God asked. Never mind what God could have done. This is what happened according to Luke. How will Mary be Judged? Better than anyone I know personally and definitely here on the FR RF.

1,799 posted on 04/25/2010 8:37:52 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Mark, your occasional snarky remarks, in response to no question posed to you, are noted.

Very good. Perhaps in your dotage you may recall my remarks as to the OPC cult and then repent of your sins and become Christian. That will have made it all worthwhile - to persuade another Prodigal Daughter to return to Christ. If you ever feel like making that leap, I'd appreciate a PM, just because. Until then, we will post at odds, since, on the Religion Forum, I am called to post the Christian point of view, and in the words of Augustine, Against Heresies.

Perhaps the lord of this world may give you ears to hear and eyes to see. him anyway.

1,800 posted on 04/25/2010 8:43:57 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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