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Posted on 04/18/2010 9:49:35 PM PDT by Judith Anne
I seriously wonder about some FReepers, sometimes. Any other person accused of a crime would be defended by every FReeper as being innocent until proven guilty by a court of law. I've seen whole threads written by men who have been accused of child abuse by ex-wives out to deny them their visitation rights or to wrest more money out of them. These men are rightly indignant, and furious about the unjust accusations that cannot be proven but are never withdrawn.
Yet where are those FReepers when a PRIEST is accused? Where is the presumption of innocence? Suddenly, every accusation becomes a verdict, and not only the accused but his entire organization and all its adherents are held responsible.
I can only wonder what some of these so-called conservatives (who so faithfully defend the Constitution) would do, if THEY were the ones accused! It is a nightmare for any man -- all of you know how even the accusation stains the man forever, even if it is proven false!
Not only that, many here assert that the problems of 30, 40 and even 50 years ago must be tried in the media TODAY!
Remember the Duke rape case? There are more similarities than differences here. The priests are accused, nifonged, and instead of being defended, they are vilified!
What other man of you could stand under the weight of such an accusation trumpeted by the press, and come out whole? None! And such accusations made, LONG after the statute of limitations has passed, sometimes even after the accused is dead and buried for YEARS -- are YOU one of those who automatically, reflexively, spitefully, and gleefully act as judge, jury, and executioner?
Women! What if it were YOUR HUSBAND, YOUR BROTHER, YOUR FATHER, YOUR UNCLE, YOUR SON who was accused? Wouldn't you want the best defense possible? Wouldn't YOU believe in their innocence? Wouldn't YOU help protect your loved ones as much as possible? And yet, YOU JUDGE THE CHURCH FOR DOING WHAT YOU WOULD DO?
Shame! Vast shame! On all who have sinned against the innocent!
"But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death." -- Proverbs 8:36
Great questions.
Could it be that Rome doesn't really want to get back to the Bible at all, but instead wants to chain again the Bible to the alter and translate it back into Latin to keep the unwashed congregants from knowing the truth within it?
There, fixed it for you.
You have warned by the Religion Moderator not to use italics as if a post were written by someone else when you really wrote it.
You crossed out two words showing you rewrote those two words, but then you inserted your own phrase to look as if the rest of the sentence were my quote.
Your mistakes are so tedious, Mark. Learn to post correctly. And stop breaking the rules.
lol. Apparently Rome does not possess the discernment to understand the difference between theocracy and theonomy.
Theocracy is what the Vatican maintains and demands.
Theonomy is what Scripture declares and Geneva created.
Ah, the papist rebuttal -- "No Way!"
Who wrote about a separation of church and state before Calvin? Who wrote about a tri-part government of elected citizens, kept honest by a system of checks and balances before Calvin?
Certainly not Rome. Rome is now and always has been an autocratic monarchy who murdered hundreds of thousands; a feudal fiefdom of men in dresses who consider themselves to be "another Christ."
lol. And RC apologists complain about Geneva! Hilarious.
Right after you read the Bible, read up on American history.
I don't think you are so stupid to not know that bibles before the printing press were worth quite a bit. BTW, Latin is not a forbidden language, I hope my Catholic Church returns to it so that all Catholics across the world will be united again. Luceat Lux Vestra. Don't be a lump of coal.
No Trinitarian verses in Paul, I’m afraid.
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
1Co 6:14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
Rom 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2Co 10:17 But he that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Jas 5:10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
The only way you can miss the Trinity in the scriptures is to avoid studying the scriptures (2Tim. 2:15) and reading only the talking points put out by your religion...
God is Lord...
Jesus is Lord...
The Holy Spirit is Lord...
They are Three, but, They are One...
The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are the Lord...
The Trinity is clearly in Paul's epistles as well as the rest of the scriptures...
Regardless of the fact that it took your religion 400 years to find the Trinity, or whether they found the Trinity or not is is inconsequential...Because He (the Trinity) was there all the time...
And it's very likely your religion never did find the Trinity in the Scriptures...The fact of the Trinity in the scriptures was likely so prevalent amongst the 'heretics' in that first 400 years, that your religion had to latch onto the idea and claim it for it's own to gain support for it's own man-made authority...
You're likely going to get a story about St. Augustine and the Principle of Subsidiarity. However, this Catholic rationale for the separation of church and state does not trace it's origin to such an early date, but to Vatican II and the 1965 Declaration of Religious Freedom. That meant, among other things, that Catholics were no longer forbidden to read Protestant Bibles.
But I don't think that inclination in any way out-weights the benefit that comes with every congregant understanding every word that is spoken to them from the pulpit.
When the mass is in Latin, it seems to me to be too easy to simply fall into a kind of trance surrounded by the visuals of pomp and the sounds of the repetitive chanting and the incense and the rote responses, etc.
Scripture is supposed to penetrate our minds so that we actually think about what the words and ideas and concepts mean.
That's why Paul tells us one gift of the Holy Spirit is a renewed mind which is able not just to experience the things of God, but to really understand the things of God.
"And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." -- Romans 12:2
Or from Hebrews...
And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more." -- Hebrews 10:16-17"This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Read a Protestant Bible? lol. No wonder so many RCs here hate Vatican II.
Amen!
i THOUGHT that notion was looney to begin with.
I just didn’t want to bother trying to look up the proof.
Thanks.
“and another, I am of Peter”?? Where did that come from?
Presbuteros does not mean priest...It means 'elder'...Elder does not mean priest...And priest does not mean elder...
Heb 11:2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
πρεσβύτερος
presbuteros
pres-boo'-ter-os
Comparative of πρέσβυς presbus (elderly); older; as noun, a senior; specifically an Israelite Sanhedrist (also figuratively, member of the celestial council) or Christian “presbyter”: - elder (-est), old.
Heb 7:23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
ἱερεύς
hiereus
hee-er-yooce'
From G2413; a priest (literally or figuratively): - (high) priest.
When folks are called Presbuteras, they are called elders, not priests...Priests are Hiereus...
There are no priests in the Christian church...
Just think of the joy that surrounds her now.
Silliness...Or wilfull deception...
Act 20:27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
Paul taught ALL of the scriptures...He didn't omit the Gospels...Paul didn't mention Nehemiah in his epistles...Does that mean Paul didn't believe in Nehemiah??? Silly...
THEY BELIEVE IN A QUARTET.
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Sacred Heart of Jesus, Thy kingdom come, Thy kingom come through Mary!
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Mary is crowned Queen of heaven and earth, dispenser of all graces . . .
4 - She became Queen of Purgatory, where she exercises her power as mediatrix in behalf of these suffering souls.
8 - She became Ruler of hell, that trembles at her slightest gaze and is defeated by her power.
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1 - "Hail Mary, beloved daughter of the Father, Mother of the Divine Son, Spouse of the Holy Spirit, complement of the most august Trinity!"
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6 - To her was granted grace greater than that conferred upon all others. 'that she might vanquish sin in every respect.'
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9 - God loved Mary so much that He gave her the keys to His heart. 'No one can go to God without Mary drawing him.'
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4 - 'Mary trusting in the word of the angel destroyed the sin Eve committed by trusting in the serpent.'
5 - 'She desired the safety of everyone, went in search of it and obtained it; it was also through her that this salvation was wrought.'
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4 - By becoming Mother of God, Mary belongs to the order of hypostatic union, hence, she participates in the infinite sanctity of God.'
--Ten Series of Meditations on the Mysteries of the Rosary by John Ferraro St Paul Editions.
ni•hil ob•stat
n.
1. Roman Catholic Church An attestation by a church censor that a book contains nothing damaging to faith or morals.
2. Official approval, especially of an artistic work.
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RICHARD CARDINAL CUSHING’S IMPRIMATUR
. . . ENOUGH idolatrous blasphemy for one post . . .
I strongly agree.
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