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Posted on 04/18/2010 9:49:35 PM PDT by Judith Anne
I seriously wonder about some FReepers, sometimes. Any other person accused of a crime would be defended by every FReeper as being innocent until proven guilty by a court of law. I've seen whole threads written by men who have been accused of child abuse by ex-wives out to deny them their visitation rights or to wrest more money out of them. These men are rightly indignant, and furious about the unjust accusations that cannot be proven but are never withdrawn.
Yet where are those FReepers when a PRIEST is accused? Where is the presumption of innocence? Suddenly, every accusation becomes a verdict, and not only the accused but his entire organization and all its adherents are held responsible.
I can only wonder what some of these so-called conservatives (who so faithfully defend the Constitution) would do, if THEY were the ones accused! It is a nightmare for any man -- all of you know how even the accusation stains the man forever, even if it is proven false!
Not only that, many here assert that the problems of 30, 40 and even 50 years ago must be tried in the media TODAY!
Remember the Duke rape case? There are more similarities than differences here. The priests are accused, nifonged, and instead of being defended, they are vilified!
What other man of you could stand under the weight of such an accusation trumpeted by the press, and come out whole? None! And such accusations made, LONG after the statute of limitations has passed, sometimes even after the accused is dead and buried for YEARS -- are YOU one of those who automatically, reflexively, spitefully, and gleefully act as judge, jury, and executioner?
Women! What if it were YOUR HUSBAND, YOUR BROTHER, YOUR FATHER, YOUR UNCLE, YOUR SON who was accused? Wouldn't you want the best defense possible? Wouldn't YOU believe in their innocence? Wouldn't YOU help protect your loved ones as much as possible? And yet, YOU JUDGE THE CHURCH FOR DOING WHAT YOU WOULD DO?
Shame! Vast shame! On all who have sinned against the innocent!
Each of the items placed in the Ark had a significance for the Jews then and the Church now. I'm looking forward to what Quix comes up with!
Will try and get something to you within a week to 10 days at least by email.
Will be a bit of a challenge to make it simple and instantly clear but I think it’s doable.
And, perhaps a slight bit of mystery about what it is could serve as a conversation starter.
The early Christians took ‘ICHTHOS’ as their symbol. Good choice.
I think the Aaron’s rod thing is a good idea.
James Avery of Texas would likely be interested.
I think Luv W works for them.
I think a crooked shepherd staff with buds on the upper part might communicate.
Yes! A conversation starter! Excellent my friend.
Sure I can. Although one hand often washed the other, they were separate entities. There was actually a bull written to stop the Inquisition that was withdrawn when the Spanish authorities refused to adhere to it.
You never answered the question.
I’ll ask it again: How do you know that God used Martin Luther to correct some wrongs? What is your source that God did such a thing?
The fruit, for one thing.
100’s of millions of souls brought to a saving knowledge of Jesus The Christ walking in discipled fellowship with Him . . . many of them filled with His Spirit.
Will send you a FREEPMAIL momentarily.
Then logically you’d have to admit that is true too of the Catholic Church which also has brought 100’s of millions of souls to a saving knowledge of Jesus The Christ walking in discipled fellowship with Him . . . many of them filled with His Spirit.
Plausibly.
However, from what I’ve observed, I’m not at all convinced of those numbers and those qualities of RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS.
Plausibly? With a response like that no one can take you seriously.
Read the link I gave you so you can learn something other than papist PR. Servetus' death sentence was pronounced by the Councils of Geneva. Calvin was not part of the government and had no power either to condemn or to save Servetus.
But it's a convenient distraction for those who cannot find any other anvils to swing against the reformer.
Evidently, you didn't read my remarks, only Eckleburg's
Of course I read your remarks, you authored the thread. I later read Alex's excellent post detailing about 20 of your comments on this thread confirming your accusations of Paul. I was trying to show you that you are treating an Apostle worse than you say non-Catholics treat accused priests. Your own Church says that Paul's words are "authored by God" yet you say they are "loony". Of course you are entitled to your own opinion, but in this case that does not leave you any room to complain when others might have an opinion about accused priest number 5,000 (or whatever) in the U.S. alone. In a scandal this horrific, far reaching and long standing of course the benefit of the doubt will be lower in the public's eye.
Think about it. When you hear about another politician being accused of being in a sex scandal is your first inclination to defend the person until proved guilty, or is it to think "oh no, not another one"? The axiom "innocent until proved guilty" is right and proper in a court room, but it does not necessarily apply in the court of public opinion. The Catholic Church needs to PROVE it has changed before it can earn back the trust it has lost. Only then can it be reasonably asked that these priests be given any benefit of the doubt. So far, frankly I have seen very little evidence of meaningful change given even recent world headlines.
Meant to ping you to 1,095. Sorry :)
No worries.
They sure are. Thanks for those excellent examples, AG. :)
Oh, please, give me a break. The Presbyterians have built an entire (failing) church out of "distrust" of Catholics. They have NEVER trusted Catholics. Am I supposed to believe that there is anything the catholic Church could do, other than disbanding itself, that would satisfy them? And MANY OTHER protestants?
As far as Paul goes, I am still amazed that there is far more fuss over my opinion of his letters than much else. I'd STILL like to see the presbyterians examine their own sex abuse scandals. That's going to happen when they shut up about Catholic "idol worship."
No one can argue that man will not be judged. All you have to do is use the verse:
You made the claim that Christians do not have an obligation to live any differently before God than other people. I would suggest your verses on our judgment would say otherwise.
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