[WhatsItAllAbout]

One other point I would like to make is that your "hard deterministic" view would necessitated that God be in control of every thought as well as every action resulting from those thoughts.

So again I would ask what's the point if the universe is deterministic, and how could a man be held responsible for his actions if God controls every molecule, in his body and every thought he thinks and there is no randomness in the universe?

[Dutchboy88]

"So again I would ask what's the point if the universe is deterministic, and how could a man be held responsible for his actions if God controls every molecule, in his body and every thought he thinks and there is no randomness in the universe?"

In this you are at least beginning to catch the implications of Paul's description of the Gospel, even if you are walking right into the very question he knew Roman believers would ask in 57AD..."You will say to me then, 'Why does He still find fault? For who can resist His will?"

You just have not come to grips with his answer,"On the contrary, WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE, O man, who answers back to God?..." Check it out. Romans 9:19, one of the most troubling verses in the Reformation.