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To: WhatsItAllAbout
Been out for a week, pardon my tardy response.

"In my experience God's Grace is available to ALL, Salvation is Universally available to All through Christ's death on the Cross and death's defeat in his Resurrection."

Nonsense.

The grace of Jesus Christ is not universal nor universally available. Read the letter to the Romans all the way through, learn some hermeneutics.

"So then it does not depend upon the man who wills (chooses) or the man who runs (acts), but upon God who has mercy...So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires. YOU WILL SAY TO ME THEN, 'WHY DOES HE STILL FIND FAULT? FOR WHO CAN RESIST HIS WILL?" Rom. 9:16 - 19ff. Read the rest for Paul's answer.

God is rescuing whom He will, for no identifiable reason to the recipients or those left to die in their sins. The annotations of the NIV mean no more to believers than the pontifications of the RC church. Let go of the dreamy tripe and speak the truth plainly...if you can.

30 posted on 04/26/2010 12:56:17 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88
"The grace of Jesus Christ is not universal nor universally available. Read the letter to the Romans all the way through, learn some hermeneutics."

So if I understand your position God's call to Salvation and repentance is not made to all mankind? Granted since he is all knowing he knows who will and who won't hear and obey even before they are born. Just because a Man doesn't choose to believe doesn't means God's Grace is in any way limited

If God's Grace is not universal why does 2 Peter 3:9 Say "The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise as some understand slowness. He is patient with you not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."

Which sinners is Paul speaking about when he says in 1 Timothy 1:15 "Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves FULL ACCEPTANCE: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners - of whom I am the worst."

Is not every sinner given one last chance like the Fig tree in Luke 13:6-9

"Then he told this parable:"A man had a fig tree, planted in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it, but did not find any. So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, For three years now I've been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven't found any.

Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil? Sir, the man replied, leave it alone for one more year, and I'll dig around it and fertilize it. If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down."

Like God seems to say to Johan who are you to put a limit on God's Grace can you somehow know who he chooses and who he doesn't? You may not see the work the Holy Spirit does, but he is working like the man in the garden, up to the very last breath that a Soul takes on this Earth.


31 posted on 04/27/2010 7:11:28 PM PDT by WhatsItAllAbout
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To: Dutchboy88
I would like your interpretation of the verses in Romans 11:25-32.

Romans 12:32 says "For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all"

To me it seems to say God's mercy is universally available to ALL, but it can be accepted or rejected by the individual Soul.
32 posted on 05/02/2010 8:24:11 AM PDT by WhatsItAllAbout
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