[presently no screen name]

Same thing - Not sure why you haggle about a word 'union' or 'knew' - it means the same in that scripture.

And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and He called his name JESUS.

It implies nothing as to what happened afterward.

How could you honestly say that. 'KNEW her NOT TILL she had brought forth HER firstborn. It has EVERYTHING to do with what happened after - after she delivered Jesus. That's when he KNEW her. They were married and arranged by God and He created marriage as a union.

Mark 10:7,8
For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH; so they are no longer two, but one flesh.


HER firstborn is just that - her firstborn. If you change God's Word to suit a tradition, you are placing tradition above God's Word. You have more reverence for your tradition than God's Word.

Don't battle with me - Matt 1:25 are God's Words as is Mark 10;7,8.

[Quix]

VERY WELL PUT.

THX.

[johngrace]

NO its not just first born because there are siblings only. The jews would use it even with one child. Because the first born were reserved for the priesthood. If you have one child he is the still the first born and only.

[RJR_fan]

That's when he KNEW her. They were married and arranged by God and He created marriage as a union.

Mark 10:7,8
For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH; so they are no longer two, but one flesh.

Mary was a righteous woman.

Mary was a normal woman.

Righteous, normal women do not defraud their husbands.

Jesus was raised in a normal, righteous family. One where spouses did not cheat (defraud), or cheat on, one another.

Arguments to the contrary denigrate the goodness of God's created order, and undermine the doctrine of the Incarnation. The cult of the BVM has that flavor of the demonic around it, a spooky ethereal unearthliness. An unreal sickly sweetness. Satan lusts to be treated as deity, and will gladly don a mask to receive worship, appearing as the Angel Moroni, or the BVM.

One evidence of the demonic -- the ferocious intensity you'll find in the responses of those whose devotional faculties are tuned in to the goddess's wavelength. Suggest that Mary was a normal woman, a loving and faithful wife, and mother of other children -- and these folks react as though you'd called their mother a slut.