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To: Doulos1; reaganaut
The innerant Word of God needs no outside proof. “Cross” used in the N.T. ‘stauro’ means a stake or stick.

Only if you discount that the termonlogy is in the classical greek sense - but we are talking Koine Greek here. The fact is that the word has a broader sense and use. Here archaeology provides detail and depth on this point.

The 1968 discovery of the remains of an individual who was cruxified were found. The wear of the nail on the bone made it clear the orientation of the arm - it was subhorizontal. As discribed by N. Haas of the Department of Anatomy at Hebrew University in Israel Exploration Journal, 1970 he states:

"The whole of our interpretation concerning the position of the body on the cross may be described briefly as follows: The feet were joined almost parallel, both transfixed by the same nail at the heels, with the legs adjacent; the knees were doubled, the right one overlapping the left; the trunk was contorted; the upper limbs were stretched out, each stabbed by a nail in the forearm."

Further historical/archaeological evidence comes from the romans themselves. Roman uses stipes (vertical beam) and patibulum (crossbeam) for their cruxifictions. Criminals commonly carried the crossbeam to their execution. Since there is no mention of a hole being dug for Christ, it is probable that he carried the crossbeam.

As I said, archaeological studies clarify the actual practices used at the time and broaden the understanding of the koine greek termonlogy.

Since you believe the "innerant Word of God" needs no outside proof -

John 20:25 - "The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe."

They used two nails, not one as would be the case (and is commonly depicted by JW) if Jesus was nailed to a stake. Jesus was crucified upon a cross not a stake as the Bible indicates.

177 posted on 04/07/2010 11:01:26 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla

Jesus I know, Paul I know , but who the hell are you?

Excerpted: “A later reexamination of the right calcaneum (heel bone) revealed that the two heels had not been nailed together, but nailed separately to either side of the upright post of the cross, so that he straddled it (Zias and Sekeles 1985:22–24). Also later challenged was Haas’s assertion that a nail had pierced the distal ends of the radius and ulna of the forearm. The scratches in the wrist area were determined to be non-traumatic and, therefore, not evidence of crucifixion (Zias and Sekeles 1985:24). Haas had also claimed that there was evidence that the legs of the victim had been broken (Haas 1970:57), but this was apparently based on what is described as “inconclusive evidence” (Zias and Sekeles 1985:24–25).

http://www.biblearchaeology.org/post/2009/10/15/Rethinking-The-Crucified-Man-From-Give28099at-Ha-Mivtar.aspx

Come on guys, I have the right to believe wrongly and suffer the consequences for it. Now please spend your vast knowledge of the Bible getting people born again and kicking the Adversary’s butt out of government and out of our society. Go heal the sick, raise the dead, set the captive free. Convert the mooselimbs.
Your brother in Christ.


178 posted on 04/07/2010 5:05:58 PM PDT by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever)
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