Posted on 03/23/2010 5:44:17 PM PDT by delacoert
Don’t confused Salvation is by grace. I don't know what you guys are trying to say here.
placemarker
well, Christians believe that where you end up is by following the light of the world, Jesus.
When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." John 8:12
In him was life, and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it. There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe. He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light. The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world.John 1:4-9
Resty, there is not one single thing we can do to save ourselves or to glorify ourselves. We have to GIVE UP and follow the light, Jesus. If we trust Him, He will save us. Anything we try to do on our own is insulting to God - like filthy rags.
That's what Christians know is true.
Oh I love that parable! I became a Christian rather late in the “day”, but I know that my reward will be just the ame as all believers!
I think it means that if you think salvation is by grace you are confused. That is, if I translated that correctly.
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Don’t confused Salvation is by grace.
I think it means that if you think salvation is by grace you are confused. That is, if I translated that correctly.
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Don’t put words in my mouth thank you
Salvation is by grace!
I almost fainted when I read that. I do not think I could count the number of posts by lds in the few months that say "salvation is by works".
Salvation is by grace!
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Define what you mean by ‘salvation’. Because the LDS mean something different by it than Christians do.
For Christians, salvation is living with Heavenly Father (in His presence) for ALL eternity.
To the LDS, salvation (by grace) is resurrection.
go contend with yourself!
Salvation is by grace!
I almost fainted when I read that. I do not think I could count the number of posts by lds in the few months that
say “salvation is by works”.
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WRONG!
So which is it? By the grace of God through Jesus or by how much oil you have in your lamp and by not slacking?
Don’t any of you get tired of trying to provoke and tease are you all so bored or maybe losing your short term memory!
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Salvation is by Grace! (saved)
another topic
The reward is the degree of glory one is able to endure and receive it.
Oil, light etc meaning what you have deposit in your spiritual bank account.
The cleaner the vessle the greater the Light one will be able to endure.
Example when Moses spoke to the Lord face to face the rest of the children could have not endure the Lord’s present.
I notice you did not say my definition was incorrect.
To the LDS - Salvation = resurrection only and one of the three kingdoms.
Exaltation (part of the Celestial Kingdom) and getting to the CK is based upon LDS membership and their own works.
For Christians, all will be resurrected but only those who have a faith in Christ alone are ‘saved’ by His grace not our works. For Christians, salvation IS living with God the Father.
Do you see why Christians think the LDS are being misleading when they say they believe that they are ‘saved by grace’?
I agree
Oh snap!
Will reread it more closely and try and comment more at length maybe tomorrow.
Sounds like a good article with good Biblical points.
“I also think that, in today’s climate, it’s more likely to miss the target than not.”
In today’s climate, it’s hard to figure out what is satire:
a) The U.S. President gives the Queen of England an I-pod as a gift.
b) The U.S. President fires the CEO (President?) of General Motors.
c) The Vice President of the United States of America, in discussing the Healthcare Nationalization Plan says “This is a BIIGG F’ing deal”.
. . .
1. As with beauty in the eye of the beholder and one man's junk is another man's treasure . . . so, too, fitting satire and mockery are in the eye of the beholder. It depends on who's ox is gored.
2. Usually, the huge chips on shoulders and the super thin skins tend to decide such, more even, than the blackened glasses.
3. There are probably less than 5 people who post frequently on the Rel Forum threads who seem to have any remotely reliable capacity to take satire or mockery directed at them and their perspectives and roll with such, laughing at themselves or at least noting that the satire or mockery was well done or made some fitting points or some such.
4. I don't know of ANY rabid clique Roman Catholics et al who come remotely close to being the least bit able to laugh at themselves or openly confess that some satire or mockery made some fitting points about them or their perspectives.
5. Generally speaking, it seems that such cliques hereon are pretty much like my hyper liberal associates on various forums and at the univ. They are virtually one and all extremely brittle; with huge chips on their shoulders and super thin skinned--and extremely quick to be hostile, super bitterly defensive and the like.
6. For some reason, it seems that satire etc comprises some of my best writing.
7. I find satire and mockery are potent, pointed, condensed, humorous, concise ways of making some powerful points that might take many pages to make the same points much more poorly.
8. Personally, I don't think that folks for whom the satire or mockery do not apply, need have the least bit of an emotional response to it. Let it be water off a duck.
9. On the other hand, it seems to me that virtually always, WHEN THERE'S A FIERCE RESPONSE, it seems to be a VERY RELIABLE SIGN that the arrow of the satire has struck the bull's eye. And the gored ox can't stand the mirror.
10. Whooooop-T-Do! Grow up! Learn! Grow! Go on!
11. If folks are tooooo thin skinnes, brittle, insecure, with gargantuan chips on their shoulders and more than enough bitterness and bile to curdle water . . . they probably ought not read such posts by me or by anyone else. Their blood pressure might well be better off--along with their blood vessels, hearts, and other organs influenced by cortisol.
12. I usually get a kick out of it when some Roman Catholic et al folks in the rabid cliques try to manage some satire or mockery. Very occasionally, it's witty, humorous and at least a little above average enough to be entertaining. Sadly, most of the time, it just falls flat as a vain, failed effort. Then I tend to feel embarrassed for those of that perspective.
13. My own spiritual growth was immeasureably enhanced by very witty satire & mockery directed at me. Few things could cause me to think as deeply and productively as such presentations of and challenges to my own inherent absurdities. Yeah, some of such assaults left me hurt to furious. Yet, they "hurt good" and left a redemptive result--LARGELY BECAUSE I WAS DETERMINED TO GROW--REGARDLESS OF THE INPUT.
14. I think it is crucial for all Believers to offer up everything in their day and in their lives on the altar--put it all on the altar or The Cross and wait upon God for whatever He hands back as a lesson, reward or rebuke.
15. THEN we are dealing with GOD'S PERSPECTIVE on our stuff and have no business nor any need to be the least bit upset with the mortal(s) involved. God has merely used them as messengers or catalysts.
16. Anyway--I find satire and mockery to be quite efficient and effective ways to communicate in relatively brief ways great import as well as great quantities of points that would require pages or chapters otherwise.
17. And, I love the wit and humor of such--often as much when I'm on the receiving end as when I'm the sender.
Cheers.
Sounds about right to me, dear brother in Christ!
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