corrected:
“You banter over baptism, and while you do , you miss the whole meat of the fact that baptism has NOTHING to do with your salvation. This is what happens to people that don’t read their bible but grasp the man made rules of a controlling church system.”
You say “baptism has NOTHING to do with your salvation” The Bible says “Baptism Now Saves You”
I’ll go with God’s word!
I Peter 3: 18
For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;
19in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison,
20who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water.
21(Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Thank you for taking this matter up.
The Bible does say this.
Now, how does this square with all the rest that is written in the Holy Scriptures? If they are, as I believe and as Christendom has believed throughout its long history (I am trying to avoid any denominational partisanship or hot-buttons here), the very Word of God, both infallible and authoritative in all of which they teach and also with Christ the Savior of the world as their focus and very reason for existence, then we must be aware that we can never set one part of Scripture against another. If it seems to be in contradiction of itself, the error will not be found in God’s Word but in our understanding. Again, this is the discussion I have been trying to provoke. It is a discussion that should be respectful, reasonable, and civil.
To arrive at the proper understanding of 1 Peter 3:21 will go a long way in helping us all to understand the proper (biblical) meaning and use of the term “born again/from above” and its connection to baptism. Then we might go a long way toward addressing what this thread is supposed to be about.
All we have to fear is being corrected by God’s Word.