I would make comment on your attempt at invoking sympathy with claims about your honesty and desire for that in others, but that is essentially a sick joke now coming from you, as has been demonstrated.
Posted on 03/12/2010 7:02:37 AM PST by Colofornian
Women have a sacred role in the sanctification and purification of men, Elder Glenn L. Pace of the Seventy told students and faculty during the campus devotional in the Marriott Center at BYU on Tuesday, March 9.
Reflecting on the love he felt from his mother, sister, wife and daughters, Elder Pace spoke of the positive influence women have had on his life.
Speaking specifically about a time when his daughter fell asleep in his arms, Elder Pace noted the comfort it must have brought his daughter to be held by her father. He realized afterward that even greater was the peace and comfort she brought to him.
Looking to the Savior as an example, Elder Pace spoke of the love and respect He bestowed upon women.
"As we read about these associations, our focus is generally on what He teaches them and the love and understanding He gives them," Elder Pace said. "Have you ever considered the possibility that these women provided immense comfort to His burdened soul? It is my belief that He needed them as He journeyed toward living a perfect life in order that He could provide the ultimate sacrifice."
Just as the Savior needed righteous women, so do men today in purifying and sanctification in their lives.
Sharing excerpts from the story of the creation found in the book of Abraham, Elder Pace told of how the earth was created — before Eve — where Adam had been placed in the Garden of Eden. In the garden, Adam was enjoying a utopia in physical surroundings as well as open communication with God. Still, it was not complete without Eve.
"I believe the Father's statement 'It is not good that the man should be alone' (Genesis 2:18) had a much more profound meaning than the obvious biological implications," he said. "It also went further than providing Adam with company. Adam's ability to obtain the purification necessary to get back into the presence of God was dependent upon his continuous association with Eve."
In order for men and women to obtain the highest degree of celestial glory, there is need to be married, Elder Porter said.
"There is a limit to our spiritual development as long as we are single. There is a spiritual development which can only be obtained when a man and a woman join their incomplete selves into a complete couple," he said. "Just as conception requires the physical union of male and female, perfection requires the union of the very souls of male and female."
Although single men and women can accomplish great things on their own, they are incomplete until united intellectually, emotionally, physically and most important, spiritually, he said.
"The world we live in has gone awry with its focus on the physical part of the male and female relationship. If there is too much focus on the physical, the vital areas of intellectual, emotional and spiritual union are not being placed in an environment where they can flourish and grow."
Elder Pace spoke of the obsession the current society has on "making love," rather than developing a complete relationship that enables "expressing love." Because melding divine natures is a necessary element in bringing about perfection, Elder Pace said, individuals must guard against any deterioration of those natures.
"If the world keeps chipping away at the divine nature of women, it is probable that our relationships in marriage will not bring about the sanctification necessary for exaltation or, at a minimum, the process will be delayed," he said.
Referring to the phrase, "men have the priesthood and women have been given the blessing of procreation," Elder Pace spoke of the importance of each role in a relationship, and the ability couples have to complement one another in their eternal roles.
"It is the marriage ceremony in the temple where husband and wife receive the power to perfect their relationship and, thereby, obtain their exaltation."
As individuals work together to become a whole, as the Lord has commanded, they work together to become a combination of complementary capacities and characteristics.
"Sisters, I testify that when you stand in front of your heavenly parents in those royal courts on high and you look into Her eyes and behold Her countenance, any question you ever had about the role of women in the kingdom will evaporate into the rich celestial air, because at that moment you will see standing directly in front of you, your divine nature and destiny."
I would make comment on your attempt at invoking sympathy with claims about your honesty and desire for that in others, but that is essentially a sick joke now coming from you, as has been demonstrated.
I may have to consider that for DH.
You know, you really need to read what I write better. I used the “IF” qualifier for my observation concerning his distortion of authority and superiority.
Making the assumption I slammed him for his military service is just silly, especially since I have immense respect for the US military and have been encouraging my teenage sons to serve in the US armed forces despite being Canadian.
Just as 90% of Americans and Canadians do not serve in the military, neither did I. I did serve an LDS mission. I wish I went into the military, but things happened and the opportunity passed.
So, what have we learned in our brief exchange? I have a thin skin when it comes to dishonesty and you have a thin skin when the jab hits close to home.
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Wow, you can’t even get that right. What we have all learned is...you have a thin skin, you are DISHONEST, and you resort to attacks when you apparently cannot defend your position.
We have also learned that Godzilla is and was a great American vet.
Your opinion and I simply do not care what you think of me.
If you cannot grasp the significance of using qualifiers, then what’s the point of talking with you?
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Where exactly have I been dishonest?
Please provide specific examples.
As usual, all you anti-Mormons do is misrepresent others.
And NOW he is claiming he didn’t say it. LOL. Wow, just wow.
Perhaps you should re-read what I wrote since I did use a qualifier, and I never condemned him for his military service.
As usual, par for the course - a deliberate misrepresentation of what I wrote. Sadly, why am I not surprised?
Your statement and inference . . . . no out right open statement - against my military service ending with a DC is putrid, and as a veteran no "IF" will ever provide adequate 'coverage' for that. Secondly, it doesn't matter about either - you are not an authority over me, nor are you superior to me.
I did not and do not condemn your service - I admire it.
I definitely do not believe you. This is more likely trying to suck up to JR to keep your sorry keester from being zotted. The fact that you attacked my military service - absolutely ignorant of it too boot - shows you hold veterans in low esteem.
Welcome to the human race. Perhaps now we’ve crossed the Rubicon and a more honest and respectful dialog can occur.
Any credible dialogue got flushed down the rubicon with that. You are a dishonest rube who when unable to present an argument goes to a personal attack. Yes, you certainly do not understand the military, for I've locked the heels of many a snotty solder with your attitude.
No, another poster was correct - you've shown all just how 'nice' mormons are.
you have a thin skin when the jab hits close to home.
I have a thin skin when a snotty nosed and arrogant canadian choses NOT to address the issue being discussed and choses to personally attack me and my record.
Nice try, but the ‘if’ qualifier isn’t related directly to the slam which was your accusation:
“Dishonorable discharge, eh?”
You really need to stop the spin and learn to write better. Or at least be intellectually honest.
And of course, every RM I know says “I wanted to serve in the military and I regret it now”. Even the LDS draft dodgers from ‘Nam.
/troll feeding
Hey eddie - did you get a real editor to clean up your smithianly poor grammer and run- on sentences?
And a condescending attitude to boot.
“Even your red herring of portraying my post as a slam against your military service doesn’t speak well of your character.”
Your character shines through with every post. Lack thereof I mean.
I’m still waiting for your response. I provided several hundred passages demonstrating the New Testament teaches the Sanctified are going to be deified. I also pointed out your entire milk re meat thingy contradicts the Bible. Who exactly between us is attacking the messenger “without facts to back up their statements?”
As I’ve said before, I DO NOT CARE to convert people. My church cares, I do not. Join if you want; leave if you want. I simply do not care.
What I do care about is not allowing those who lie and distort the true teachings of Mormonism to get away with it without challenge.
That rings hollow since you make that snarky remark about his being dishonorably discharged.
It goes to show that you don't know what honor is with a low blow like that to him.
In post #190 you slammed Godzilla by implying a ‘dishonorable discharge”.
the you deny any such thing in post #243.
Mrreaganaut is right, the retarded cat is smarter than you apparently.
Oh nice, right now I carry an Uzi knife with a thumb switch.
As usual, all you Mormons do is misrepresent others.
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