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To: acipher
As I understand it, most protestants believe the gift you speak of is conditional upon a person’s belief in Jesus Christ.

The historic Christian Church has largely agreed on what happens in the process of belief; the verbiage hasn't always been as clear as day from one denomination to another. But the "condition" of which you speak is not even anything any of us can take credit for...it's truly our Tri-Unity God in action in us.

What do I mean? Look @ the role of the Holy Spirit: "...no one can say that 'Jesus is Lord,' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Corinthians 12:3)

Now, of course, the era when the apostle Paul uttered this, the context was clear: ...everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted... (2 Tim. 3:12) IOW, there was no "get-ahead socially confessions of Jesus Christ" -- it cost something in that time & place.

But the Holy Spirit receives 100% credit for our belief in Jesus Christ. So while people can "technically" call that a "condition," is it any "condition" that can be accredited to our spiritual account? (NO!!!!)

Perhaps next you or some other poster might say, "Well, what about repentance? Isn't that a 'condition' of receiving the gift of salvation?"

And I'd answer, "Again, that could technically be called a 'condition' but who is the 'Real Actor' behind the scenes in bringing about repentance?" Our Tri-Une God again!

Jesus Christ: God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might give repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel. (Acts 5:31)

So, unlike the other 5:31 -- D&C 5:31 -- where "forgiveness of sins" is predicated upon whole-souled work ("thrust in your sickle"), the Bible sees repentance & forgiveness of sins as a pure "gift" from Jesus Christ. He gives repentance. It's that simple.

Heavenly Father: When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, "So then, God has granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life." (Acts 11:18)

Do you comprehend the upshot of this verse? If God doesn't "grant" repentance, people groups aren't going to repent.

So, Who gets credit for all of this? God the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12:3); God the Son (Acts 5:31); God the Father (Acts 11:18). I would hope none of us would ever fall to the temptation to steal even a drop of His glory. It's ALL God...those prompters to act...the energy to act...It's ALL Him!

Acipher, good Q.

43 posted on 03/02/2010 6:56:43 AM PST by Colofornian (If you're not going to drink the coffee, at least wake up and smell it.)
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To: Colofornian

So because the Holy Spirit gets credit for a person’s belief in Christ, saying salvation is conditional upon belief Christ is incorrect?

BUT it is a cold hard fact:
- Don’t believe in Christ equals no salvation
- Do Believe in Christ equals salvation
There is no way around the statement, salvation is conditional upon belief.

But, is it a person belief that saves them? NO, it is only through the atonement of Christ that we are saved. Can we take credit for our salvation? Never.

Does LDS culture and doctrine put emphasis on meeting the conditions for salvation? Very much so.


44 posted on 03/02/2010 7:31:02 AM PST by acipher
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