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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; spirited irish; MHGinTN; Godzilla; stfassisi
Sure. Just filter Padre Pio out. He doesn't fit your "vision."

First, it's not just my vision but a view of many others, just as yours is yours and that of many others. Second, if his condition was not explicable does not automatically prove 'supernatural' causes. Third, it does not eliminate a possible hoax.

As I said I will not get into this because it would be another long and protracted charged offshoot. But it's not for lack of material on the subject. It's just that I am already spread thin on several other threads and spend way too much of my time on them. I don't need another one. Interested individuals can do their own research.

All of which is to say, there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy, my dear kosta.

My philosophy? What philosophy? We are talking about Padre Pio, and there are dissenting opinions by many as regards the Catholic version. Why don't you give us more details about the Vatican pharmacist, the affiliation and names of the doctors who were involved, the actual findings, the types of tests used, the autopsy report and an explanation why his body was drained of all blood, etc.? Betetgr yet, why don't you start a new thread?

864 posted on 03/11/2010 1:25:15 AM PST by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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To: kosta50

So, are you a Calvinist but just not on the list? ;)

I haven’t followed the entire thread so I don’t know if you posted this earlier but I was wondering what you thought about sin and the need for forgiveness. Even though you don’t believe, do you in any way feel drawn to Christianity?


866 posted on 03/11/2010 1:55:22 AM PST by Tramonto (Live Free or Die)
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To: kosta50; Alamo-Girl; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; spirited irish; MHGinTN; Godzilla; stfassisi
Second, if his condition was not explicable does not automatically prove 'supernatural' causes. Third, it does not eliminate a possible hoax.

As to supernatural causes, neither does the inexplicability of Pio's condition rule them out. As for the possibility of hoax, the Church itself was alive to this possibility. The first thing the Vatican did on getting wind of Pio's condition was to place him in a sort of internal exile that continued for nearly two years. In this period he was barred from hearing confessions, saying mass, administering the Eucharist — in short, barred from any exercise of his normal priestly duties.

Also in this period, the Church had him examined by doctors, scientists, "experts" for the sole purpose of falsifying Pio's claims. They couldn't do it, though they certainly could not falsify the existence of the physical wounds. Pio was a "scientific curiosity" for 50 years. He continued to be seen by members of the medical and scientific community over this period. If there had been a hoax involved, one would think it would have been discovered by now.

885 posted on 03/11/2010 8:26:34 AM PST by betty boop (Moral law is not rooted in factual laws of nature; they only tell us what happens, not what ought to)
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