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To: boatbums
He still gives us the choice - the free will - to accept or reject him.

Define free will. Are you suggesting that man can exercise his own Free Will to come to Christ if he is free from the compelling influence of God?

Are you a Pelagian? If not, then how is your position on Free Will any different from that of Pelagius?

841 posted on 03/10/2010 8:20:25 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe; boatbums

“Are you suggesting that man can exercise his own Free Will to come to Christ if he is free from the compelling influence of God?”

I doubt it. Most of us believe God makes the rain to fall on the just and unjust, and think that has more meaning than just rain. And when God reaches out to man, man can reject him, or receive him.

“He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him. But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.”

By the will of God, those who receive him, who believe in his name, are given life and grafted on, a wild olive branch on the olive tree. (Romans 11)

And I cannot find a single verse about how God gives a secret, irresistible calling to just those he loves, while giving a public but impossible to obey calling to those he hates.

That would be dishonest, as would claiming it is about believing, and that we enter grace thru faith, if in fact it is all about having our names on the Happy List.

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”

If we are to obey Jesus and imitate God, we are to love those who hate us, and do good to those who are not good to us. “The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the foremost. But I received mercy for this reason, that in me, as the foremost, Jesus Christ might display his perfect patience as an example to those who were to believe in him for eternal life.”


847 posted on 03/10/2010 8:44:52 PM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: P-Marlowe; Mr Rogers
Are you suggesting that man can exercise his own Free Will to come to Christ if he is free from the compelling influence of God?

Nobody is ever free from the influence of God. It becomes compelling only to those who freely choose to accept it. For those who choose to hate God, deny and reject him, there is no compulsion, obviously, to believe, so they don't.

849 posted on 03/10/2010 9:27:52 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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