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To: spirited irish; betty boop; Alamo-Girl

Well put.

Perhaps it might be postulated that dreams can be detected by REM sleep indicators on instruments or watching eyelids move.

HOWEVER, THAT IS NOT THE SAME as detecting one’s dreams consciously by one’s SENSES. The brain is not, per se, a sense organ. It registers the impulses from the sense organs and makes uhhhhh . . . sense . . . out of them . . . in, hopefully, most cases.

Touch, Taste, Sight, hearing, taste, smell . . .

brain is not listed.

Certainly one can train one’s self to be aware that one is dreaming while one is dreaming and even to make some decisions in the midst of said dreams.

Certainly one can wake up within 20 seconds to 2 minutes and remember a dream.

NEITHER awareness is from one’s SENSES per se.

Your point still stands.

This ballyhooed hypocritical screed !!!!DEMANDING!!!!! of Almighty God that ALMIGHTY GOD conform to prissy criteria for “proof” to the finite screecher is absurdity to the max.

Yet again this nonsense that only “provable” facts are facts.

Only data which makes it through the hoops and gauntlet of a certain set of artificial limitations on reality can ‘qualify’ to be labeled ‘reality’ . . . and this by folks usually given to denying major chunks of reality right and left.

God have mercy on them if they tried to live the rest of their lives with such prissy strictures on ‘reality.’

“No, Dear. I don’t know where you put the love-micrometer. I guess you’ll just have to accept my love on faith today. I don’t know where the love-scale is, either. No, the love-wave-length detector hasn’t been seen for months. Yes, I can hear the sounds of silence but I can’t detect the sounds of love. No, I have no grounds for labeling THAT exercise the sounds of love. That’s just utilitarian itch scratching.”

“No, now that you mention it, Dear, everything you do in my life is only construable as self-centered, self-serving utilitarianism. Grand fantasies of “love” are utterly groundless and archaic in the ‘SCIENTIFC’ age. As Skinner articulated so God-like . . . man is nothing more than a rat, a pigeon, a radish [or a rock].”

“Clearly, Dear, you are just another mindless cog in a mindless machine that functions by some mindless miracle . . . oh, Dear . . . minute after minute, millenia after millenia . . . now that IS a logical problem . . . Ah well, who said that super rationalists were really rational?”


806 posted on 03/10/2010 7:22:45 AM PST by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

snip: This ballyhooed hypocritical screed !!!!DEMANDING!!!!! of Almighty God that ALMIGHTY GOD conform to prissy criteria for “proof” to the finite screecher is absurdity to the max.

Spirited: The ‘finite screechers’ are guilty of narcissism, which the Bible calls idolatry: Idolatry of Mind, Idolatry of Flesh. The clay has elevated itself over the Potter and presumes to sit in judgement of Him.


811 posted on 03/10/2010 8:41:54 AM PST by spirited irish
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To: Quix; Alamo-Girl
Jeepers Quix, it seems you are a master of parody, in addition to your other virtues!

I find your comments here absolutely side-splitting, I'm laughing so hard!

828 posted on 03/10/2010 12:30:12 PM PST by betty boop (Moral law is not rooted in factual laws of nature; they only tell us what happens, not what ought to)
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