Verification is evidently important to you, dear kosta. But it is not always possible. Take, for instance, the case of the Italian Franciscan priest Padre Pio, of whom it is said that he received five stigmata of Christ at age 31, and suffered them for over 50 years, until his death in 1968. He was continually being examined by doctors and scientists over this period. And they could verify that Padre Pio did, in fact, have these wounds, and that they bled out daily. But they could not verify the cause of these wounds; the fact that he suffered them and still lived to a ripe old age (81) was a complete mystery to them — and to the rest of us who know Padre Pio's story as well, I'm pretty sure.
I don’t believe verification is that important to such folks at all.
They don’t insist on it in any other area of their lives.
It’s a sham.
It’s a straw dog.
They wouldn’t dream of insisting on it in any other relationship—they’d have no relationships.
It’s merely to rationalize rebellion against God.
And thank you for your reply, dear kosta50!
kosta50 keeps insisting that we prove God to him.
Yet those of us who have been born again know God personally. Proof is absurd to us.
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. – Romans 8:9
For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. – Colossians 3:3
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? - I Cor 6:19
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. - John 15:4-5
Man is not the measure of God.
And signs and miracles will not convince a person who does not have “ears to hear.”
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where [is] the wise? where [is] the scribe? where [is] the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. - I Corinthians 1:18-25
And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. – Luke 16:31
But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: - Matthew 12:39
Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. – John 8:43
And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. – John 6:65
So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. - Romans 10:17
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life. – John 6:63
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. – John 5:24
God did not “owe” Adamic man anything. Our salvation is a gift.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. – John 3:18
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. – Matthew 10:28
So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit. – I Corinthians 15:42-45
And to you it's not?
But it is not always possible
In that case we have to settle for what we have, an open question and not a fact. That would be intellectually honest, right?
Take, for instance, the case of the Italian Franciscan priest Padre Pio...And they could verify that Padre Pio did, in fact, have these wounds, and that they bled out daily. But they could not verify the cause of these wounds...
I will not go into the unresolved controversy regarding Padre Pio because it would deflect from the debate. Let's just say that he did bleed and that we don't know why, and leave it at that.
the fact that he suffered them and still lived to a ripe old age (81) was a complete mystery to them
His bleeding is a controversial issue. Obviously some believe it to be the "sign" of "holiness." To others it smacks of fraud which can be caused by the use of carbonic acid (which also, conveniently) prevents infection.
I am not sure what point you are trying to make. Not knowing what causes something doesn't mean it's from God.