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To: P-Marlowe; Alamo-Girl; xzins; kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; MHGinTN; TXnMA; Mr Rogers

“You can run semantical rings around the issue”

No I don’t need to run semantical rings around the issue. It is my faith but I would not have had that faith unless the Holy Spirit quickened my desires. It’s not that difficult. The quickening produces faith and faith is the means of justification. Even you as an Arminian accept that the Holy Spirit needs to do some work so it would be equally stupid if I claimed you were a monergist because you have the Holy Spirit doing a work first.


537 posted on 03/05/2010 1:09:37 PM PST by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: the_conscience; P-Marlowe; Alamo-Girl; xzins; kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; MHGinTN; TXnMA

“Even you as an Arminian accept that the Holy Spirit needs to do some work so it would be equally stupid if I claimed you were a monergist because you have the Holy Spirit doing a work first.”

Speaking for myself, God graciously gives some revelation to all, or virtually all. See Romans 1 - He doesn’t harden their hearts until after they knew Him as God: “21For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened...24Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity...”

The point is that scripture teaches the Holy Spirit CAN be resisted, and those who resist the Holy Spirit - the one who “will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment” - and those who resist, lose. Those who resist do not believe, so they do not have faith.

“11He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him. 12But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, 13who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.” - John 1

Note the believing precedes regeneration. Those who believe become.


540 posted on 03/05/2010 1:17:27 PM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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