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To: the_conscience
Rogers has been given dozens of Scripture regarding regeneration and he still rebukes it.

What was that you were saying about the natural man...?

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost" -- Titus 3:5

Even our "work of faith" is God-given. Unless a person has been born by the Holy Spirit, the Bible remains a puzzle to him, and salvation just a riddle.

51 posted on 02/28/2010 2:18:56 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I have yet to be given a single verse that states we are given belief and faith following regeneration.

Lots of claims, but no verses.

6But the righteousness based on faith says, "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?'" (that is, to bring Christ down) 7or "'Who will descend into the abyss?'" (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); 9because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11For the Scripture says, "Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame." 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

14How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? 15And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!"

It takes a peculiar blindness to turn that into, "For God so loved the elect...", or into, "For those he saved he gave belief"!

55 posted on 02/28/2010 2:30:40 PM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
You would think "born again" would be clue enough.

Even Nicodemus understood that.

How can these things be?

57 posted on 02/28/2010 2:33:24 PM PST by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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