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To: Dr. Eckleburg; raynearhood; blue-duncan; xzins
Your posts have been rather peculiar tonight, Marlowe. Is everything ok? I mean that sincerely.

Everything is great. I am just asking hard questions, the kind that many lurkers would ask but hesitate to do so.

The Arminian has no answer for why God saves infants if infants are too young to make a "free will choice to believe."

That is why I am not an Arminian. The problem with both Arminianism and Calvinism is that their constructs are too rigid. Calvinism denies God's foreknowledge in the application of Grace and Arminianism denies the unconditional application of God's grace.

Calvinism's rigid application of such verses as "and Esau I have hated" paints a God who hates infants and who either sends infants to Hell for his pleasure, or (if we assume that all infants who die are saved) kills them because he loves them too much to allow them to continue in life.

God surely hated Esau from the foundation of the Earth, but I, for one, do not believe that he hated Esau without reason, and if it was not simply because he chose to hate Esau because he chose to hate Esau, then it was because of his Foreknowledge of the MAN, His Foreknowledge of the WHOLE MAN and the life that he would ultimately lead.

The idea that God would hate Esau without consideration of his entire life would mean that God would hate infants and would be more than willing to caste infants who died into the same Hell that he would toss Esau. If not, why not? If it is not the man whom God hates, the sum total of his life, what God has both foreknown and foreseen about that man, then why would God not hate everyone? Are some men better than others, as Calvinism rejects categorically? Or is God's grace truly random, as Arminians and Catholics accuse Calvinists of believing?

251 posted on 03/03/2010 5:38:14 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe; Dr. Eckleburg; raynearhood; blue-duncan; xzins

“Everything is great. I am just asking hard questions, the kind that many lurkers would ask but hesitate to do so.”

Yeah, but the first section on the Multi-State is always true or false or multiple choice type questions.


261 posted on 03/03/2010 8:28:59 AM PST by blue-duncan
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