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To: MarkBsnr

“Correct, to a point. One must define what sovereignty means first. If by sovereign, one means that God is the Creator and has set up the Universe for us, that is one thing.”

The fact of God’s creation of everything that exists is
different than His sovereignty and omnipotence. He is
more, however, than just the Creator. I am a creator too,
but am not sovereign or omnipotent (or any of the other
great attributes that have been revealed about God).

God did more than the deist believes - setting up the world
and letting us go along our way. He has true sovereignty and
omnipotence over that creation. It will progress and end
in exactly the way He chose.

“If by sovereign, one means that God is the ultimate computer programmer who has created a universe of robot slaves, that is another.”

I might lean toward considering that a straw man argument,
since I did not argue that.

When I use sovereign to describe God, I am using it in
the identical sense He is revealed as Sovereign in the
Scriptures - the most exalted power that is above all other
powers (supreme power over all other powers) - and this
to an unlimited extent, since He is also Omnipotent.

Satan is a created being. Man is a created race. Each has
limited choices, which God has allowed. He doesn’t choose
for them... and they will bear the consequences of their
choices. He allows this as part of His creation and it
does not diminish that He remains Sovereign and Omnipotent.

All of history is moving toward the conclusion He has chosen
- satan doing evil along the way.


25 posted on 02/28/2010 10:53:41 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
God did more than the deist believes - setting up the world and letting us go along our way. He has true sovereignty and omnipotence over that creation. It will progress and end in exactly the way He chose.

Amen.

" That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been" -- Ecclesiastes 3:15


"Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure" -- Isaiah 46:9-10


" But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth" -- 2 Thessalonians 2:13


44 posted on 02/28/2010 1:38:50 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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