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To: Mr Rogers

Do a study of foreknowledge. It is much more intimate and God-directed than just “knowing beforehand.”

Again, I am back to the point that if you are correct that all means every single person in the entire world, God is one massive failure and Christ died in vain.

God’s will is perfect and will come to pass. If God wanted to save all, he would do it.


135 posted on 03/01/2010 9:22:37 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: rwfromkansas

“Again, I am back to the point that if you are correct that all means every single person in the entire world, God is one massive failure and Christ died in vain.”

Not hardly. If God’s chief desire is that men come to him willingly and obey him from the heart as sons, then it is entirely appropriate and successful for Jesus to die for all, that all might have a chance - even if only some take it.

This life is like childbirth - the pains are real, but short, and those who believe will have eternity as sons. Not all pups in a litter live, but we don’t call the litters failures.

If his chief desire was for men to just obey him, then he could do that as well - but he wouldn’t be creating sons, predestined to imitate Christ.

BTW - I did a study of foreknowing. It pretty much means knowing beforehand. Some philosophers add that it must also mean God compels it to happen thus, but that is adding their beliefs to what scripture says.


139 posted on 03/01/2010 9:37:42 AM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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