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To: MHGinTN; P-Marlowe

I’m not playing a game nor am I looking for an opportunity to jump anyone. I’m merely using a Socratic method to work through the logic to see what results from our investigation.

I would think the answer is quite obvious that Adam was righteous and holy prior to sinning. God gave some conditions to remain righteous and holy and as long as those conditions were met then Adam was righteous and holy.

I would assume you would agree that those conditions still exist and if it were possible to meet all the commands then one would be righteous and holy.

So back to the discussion at hand are God’s commands the same as God’s will?


1,059 posted on 03/12/2010 8:57:05 PM PST by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: the_conscience
Yes, you're playing twenty questions ... and Adam was not holy by his own nature. If God chooses to see you as holy in His sight, it is because His nature--which IS Holy--has been imparted to you because what Jesus did for you and for me.

Holy is a state of being which when God created Adam He did not create Adam holy else Adam would not have sinned. In the act of sinning/disobeying God, Adam proved he was not holy and had not been holy. Got it?

1,063 posted on 03/12/2010 9:05:02 PM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: the_conscience; MHGinTN
I’m not playing a game nor am I looking for an opportunity to jump anyone. I’m merely using a Socratic method to work through the logic to see what results from our investigation.

The Socratic Method starts with the statement of a premise followed by questions to determine the validity of the premise. You have asserted no premise, and your questions about holiness and righteousness are completely irrelevant to the discussion that was going on before. Basically you just changed the subject. That is not a Socratic method. Changing the subject is just a way to avoid answering pointed questions.

1,064 posted on 03/12/2010 9:08:42 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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