Posted on 02/26/2010 9:24:55 AM PST by pastorbillrandles
Here is part 2 http://www.believersingrace.com/psalm83part1.html
Sure seems that way more and more.
What a goof. Prophecy pundits have been making these sorts of nonsensical claims for decades, even centuries. They appeal to the ignorant masses, deficient in Bible interpretation and history.
Stay tuned for part 2.
Why bother? Same sort of nonsense.
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus" -- Galatians 3:28
We have a right, responsibility and vested interest in protecting Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East. But that is politics, not religion.
What a goof. Prophecy pundits have been making these sorts of nonsensical claims for decades, even centuries. They appeal to the ignorant masses, deficient in Bible interpretation and history.
First I heard the Psalm 83 thing was from an interview with Bill Salus. Israelistine, I think was the book he was pushing.
It's interesting, the short gap between some guy's speculation and received dogma. It reminds me of the dispensational treatment of Isaiah's oracle of Damascus.
THANKS.
Well put, imho.
There is no doubt that we are seeing, almost daily, Bible prophecy being fulfilled.
There is also the distinct possibility that the Isaiah 17 prophecy will be fulfilled shortly as well.
This is the same nonsensical song and dance we been hearing from the prophecy gurus for the last 4+ decades. It's utterly unsupportable and theologically/intellectually dishonest. It makes a mockery of the plain teaching of Christ and His disciples in the NT.
I guess that's why it is so popular among the masses. The blind leading the blind.
Why do you care so much? Why does it bother you what other people believe?
What about Bible prophecy pushes your buttons so much?
If Bible prophecy is not true, then what do you care if people believe it?
What's the problem? You're putting the lie to your "nonsense" claims by howling and moaning on each and every prophecy thread that someone posts.
Are you familiar with the term "thou doest protest too much"? Like I've told you before, there are never any posts from you defending your own beliefs, just slamming others. And, like I've told you before, it's very revealing.
If there's really nothing to this, then you shouldn't care if people believe it. Do you care if people believe in the tooth fairy?
And you can give up trying to convince me that it's "nonsense". That's a losing battle if there every was one.
If you don't believe in those parts of Scripture which are prophetic,
This has been gone over before. Not believing the dispensational take on prophecy is not "not believing Bible prophecy".
Are you familiar with the term "thou doest protest too much"?
Yup. That's the phrase that comes to my mind when dispensationalists trot out the lame old "amil is antisemitic" canard.
What's the problem?
Dispensationalism, taken consistently, does damage to the gospel. That's the problem.
If there's really nothing to this, then you shouldn't care if people believe it.
I don't care if you-all amuse yourselves with strange and novel theories. Knock yourselves out. "Mostly harmless", as long as nobody starts date suggesting.
I care when I hear people make the gospel into something different depending on who you are, and when you are. I care if I hear people want to put the dividing wall of hostility between Jew and Gentile, torn down by Christ, right back up again. I care if someone says (as I have seen) that the age of the gospel will end, and an age of salvation by works take its place. Back to the Law, "O frabjous day!"
Should I not care?
I don't expect that this will be understood.
Yes, it certainly has been "gone over". The fact that you can never, ever produce Scripture to back up your assertions that the way dispensationalists apply the end-time Scriptures to what is happening in our world is wrong has been "gone over" a million times.
And, yet again, we see another prophecy thread where the same two people surface to attempt a hijacking with no defense of their own beliefs, just an arrogant slamming of others. It happens over, and over, and over.
If it wasn't so pathetic, it would be comical. You've never once convinced anybody that your claims that dispensationalists are wrong because you can't provide the Scripture to make your case. And Scripture is the only acceptable currency with dispensationalists when discussing Scriptural subjects. Not your opinion.
Yup. That's the phrase that comes to my mind when dispensationalists trot out the lame old "amil is antisemitic" canard.
And it comes to my mind when the same two people appear on every single prophecy thread to make the same tired, unsubstantiated claims that the Scripture that God wrote to warn us about events surrounding His return is false. You make the accusation that our "interpretation" is wrong, but you never produce any Scripture to back up your accusation.
You never produce it because you can't. That Scripture doesn't exist.
Dispensationalism, taken consistently, does damage to the gospel. That's the problem.
The chain remains unbroken. Another accusation with no Scripture to back it up. I understand that "religious" beliefs, such as amillenialism, which are not Scriptural, and which does not come from God but is purely a creation of man, cannot be defended with Scripture and so it's basically impossible to credibly prove what you believe, but you should try to drag up some Scripture from somewhere to back up what you believe just to avoid looking like an obsessive kook.
I don't care if you-all amuse yourselves with strange and novel theories. Knock yourselves out. "Mostly harmless", as long as nobody starts date suggesting.
I care when I hear people make the gospel into something different depending on who you are, and when you are. I care if I hear people want to put the dividing wall of hostility between Jew and Gentile, torn down by Christ, right back up again. I care if someone says (as I have seen) that the age of the gospel will end, and an age of salvation by works take its place. Back to the Law, "O frabjous day!"
You see what I mean? To you this makes perfect sense, but to those of us who base our beliefs on the God-breathed Bible, this is nothing more than weird, cultish, nonsensical gibberish that somebody heard from some self-anointed guru.
You have not provided one iota of Scripture to back up your claims that dispensationalists are wrong or that you are right. And until you can do that, you will have absolutely no credibility whatsoever, and you will continue to make yourself look like someone who feels threatened by what is posted by others which proves that we are living in the last hours before Christ's return and the events going on in our world are literal fulfillments of Bible prophecy.
I don't expect anything to change. You never have been able to Scripturally demonstrate that any of our "interpretation" of Bible prophecy is wrong and you never will be able to demonstrate that we're wrong because the Scripture to back you up does not exist.
It's that simple.
is nothing more than weird, cultish, nonsensical gibberish that somebody heard from some self-anointed guru.
I'll take the likes of B. B. Warfield over any of the pop dispensational pundits, any day of the week. Or Drs. Sproul, Beale, or Vos.
You have not provided one iota of Scripture to back up your claims that dispensationalists are wrong or that you are right.
Over the years, we've given mountains of scripture to support our position. For our troubles we tend to get shouted at, in .
You never have been able to Scripturally demonstrate that any of our "interpretation" of Bible prophecy is wrong and you never will be able to demonstrate that we're wrong because the Scripture to back you up does not exist.
The scripture quote I have in my tagline right now (and the letter it's excerpted from) is a wooden stake through the heart of dispenstionalism's root axiom.
I don't expect you to see this.
So you provide a link to a previous post you made to which I responded with the Scripture proving that the contents of the article you posted demonstrates fulfillment of Bible prophecy. Thank you for that.
Amillenianalism, which is something dreamed up by men and is contradictory to God's word, is ignored and left alone because it is one of Satan's deceptions and men who don't know Christ as Savior are not threatened by it. Amillenianalism, a "theology" of man and not God, leads people to reject God and His word and therefore serves Satan's purposes and therefore will be free of attacks and attempts to discredit it and shut it down.
Dispensationalism, on the other hand, takes God at His word and takes His word literally since there is nothing in His word anywhere that gives even the slightest hint that man is to take it upon himself to allegorize or spiritualize Scripture. Dispensationalism recognizes the literal fulfillment of literal Bible prophecy, brings to the attention of people what is going on and what God has told us about His return, the events in the world which would occur before His return, and the option God gives people to escape His judgment.
Dispensationalism is a threat to Satan and to men who have rejected the gift of salvation that Christ died for. Dispensational teaching will continue to be rejected more and more thus fulfilling the prophecies of 1 Timothy 4:1, 2 Timothy 4:2-4, and 2 Timothy 3:13.
Thank you for reiterating my point and again showing that dispensationalism is one of those sound doctrines that will be rejected for "doctrine of demons" in the end times.
I'll take the likes of B. B. Warfield over any of the pop dispensational pundits, any day of the week. Or Drs. Sproul, Beale, or Vos.
A collection of preterists, Scripture-deniers and Scripture -twisters? You'll take that? Knock yourself out. I'm going to stick with the men who have remained faithful to the Bible as God wrote it and who haven't stupidly attempted to redefine Scripture more to their liking and according to their human "wisdom" but have told people what God said was going to occur right before His literal return.
Especially now that what God told us would happen is actually happening, I'll stick with those who turned out to be right.
Over the years, we've given mountains of scripture to support our position. For our troubles we tend to get shouted at, in TECHNICOLOR!.
Dispensationalists teach that God wrote the Bible to be taken literally and every word is literally inerrant, factual and truthful. Since it is impossible for Scripture to contradict itself, and since God wrote the Scripture that is prophetic, and since those end-time prophecies are happening in our time and on a daily basis, you have not produced any Scripture that repudiates dispensational teaching. Not one verse.
The scripture quote I have in my tagline right now (and the letter it's excerpted from) is a wooden stake through the heart of dispenstionalism's root axiom.
Your tagline is nothing more than garden-variety replacement theology which is more Satanic deception, is another one of your beliefs which not only cannot be justified in Scripture but directly contradicts Scripture, and which is the basis for a lot of full-blown hatred of God's people, the Jews.
Jew-hating replacement theology isn't something I would brag about and post next to my name and parade around like some grand achievement.
But like said before- knock yourself out.
Your tagline is nothing more than garden-variety replacement theology which is more Satanic deception,
My tagline is a quote from Paul's epistle to the Galatians. Which is to say, from scripture.
It is those who are of faith who are children of Abraham.
Everyone who knows Christ as Savior are now heirs of Abraham, along with believing Jews.
As Paul revealed in his Epistles, the distinction between Jew and Gentile in the churches only was removed. Jews who accept Christ as Savior are now a part of the Church, will be raptured along with the rest of those who know Christ as Savior, and will not be on earth for the Tribulation, otherwise known as "the time of Jacob's trouble" (Jeremiah 30:7).
And while the covenants God made with Abraham are for the Jewish people only, Christians have been "adopted", so to speak, into being heirs of Abraham along with Jews who have accepted Christ as Savior.
Here are some verses we must also take literally:
"Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity." (Colossians 3:12-14)
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven." (Matthew 5:43-45)
* I would assume Islamic terrorist would fall under the category of "enemy."
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ. (Galatians 3: 15-16)
Beloe are two of the many other passages clarifying this subject:
Not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children. On the contrary, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned." In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring. (Romans 9:6-8)
A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man's praise is not from men, but from God. (Galatians 3:15-16)
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