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To: Dr. Eckleburg
That's because the word of God alone is strong enough to convert men and minds and hearts.

I don't deny that's true, but I also don't deny that, as the example of Philip and the Ethiopian Eunuch demonstrates, it helps to have good teachers.

And where the word of God is puzzling, we look to the rest of Scripture to understand that which is difficult to understand.

I agree that allowing the Scriptures to illuminate themselves is possible on most issues, but certainly it helps to look outside the Scriptures to get clarification on contested issues. If I have one group of people telling me that the Scriptures are saying one thing, and another group of people saying they say another thing...well, that doesn't seem to support the idea that the process is so simple as looking at other portions of Scripture.

However, when I see that a person (Ignatius of Antioch), who lived with the apostles, made offhand statements about the three-fold office through apostolic succession, it sort of makes me think that "proving" the opposite from Scripture is a waste of time. The episcopacy existed and was authoritative while the apostles were living, and it appears the church had no problem with that for the first 16 centuries of its existence.

610 posted on 02/25/2010 5:30:19 AM PST by ajr276
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To: ajr276
it helps to have good teachers.

Amen. Teaching elders are given their gift of instruction by God. Pastors like Calvin, Luther, Spurgeon, Whitefield, Van Til, Warfield, Bahnsen, Hodge, Owen, Edwards, all were graced with the ability to understand Scripture and preach the Gospel effectively.

But the true teacher of the word of God is not a man, but the Holy Spirit.

"Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual." -- 1 Corinthians 2:12-13

And thus the excellent teacher, John Calvin, can confidently state:

"Scripture is the school of the Holy Spirit, in which, as nothing is omitted that is both necessary and useful to know, so nothing is taught but what is expedient to know.” -– John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion

I agree that allowing the Scriptures to illuminate themselves is possible on most issues, but certainly it helps to look outside the Scriptures to get clarification on contested issues

This is where the Protestant parts way with the Roman Catholic. When confronted by a "contested issue" we are to "search the Scriptures," as the Bereans did, to see if this be so.

"But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." -- 2 Timothy 3:14-17

A good example of a useful teaching aid is the WESTMINSTER CONFESSION OF FAITH

Of the 33 chapters in the WCF, the very first one is "Of the Holy Scriptures"...

"IV. The authority of the Holy Scripture, for which it ought to be believed, and obeyed, depends not upon the testimony of any man, or Church; but wholly upon God (who is truth itself) the author thereof: and therefore it is to be received, because it is the Word of God.[9]

(9) "We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." -- 2 Peter 1:19-21

Which means the Scriptures came about not through the will of men, but through the will of God as they were instructed by the Holy Spirit.

The episcopacy existed and was authoritative while the apostles were living, and it appears the church had no problem with that for the first 16 centuries of its existence.

There is no evidence in Scripture that the office and purpose of the apostles were carried on beyond the apostles. The preaching of the Gospel fell to disciples, of which you and I are numbered. The true church of Jesus Christ exists, but it is not confided to Rome. It is made up of all those given true faith in Jesus Christ as Lord, King and Savior, by the grace of God alone.

The millennium of the "Dark Ages" wasn't called that for nothing. They were "dark" because the bishop of Rome was usurping the power and position of the Holy Spirit. An error that continues to this day.

704 posted on 02/25/2010 8:46:55 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"Since the Roman Catholic church is not universal, the word means something different when prefaced by “Roman.” It means allegiance to the papacy."

Actually, the "Roman" tag refers to the same Church, with or without the tag; we are Catholics. The Pope is in Rome; in Vatican City. There is no other meaning or implication. And of course Catholicism is "universal". If it's not "universal", then I don't what is. "Catholic" also means "whole". Rather appropriate since Jesus (God) founded the Catholic Church.

...just sayin'.....

794 posted on 02/25/2010 12:12:52 PM PST by NoRedTape
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