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To: kosta50; betty boop; Alamo-Girl

I couldn’t disagree more. The Hubble Space Telescope is a living example of this. Someone trusted the numbers more than reality and the Telescope was launched with ‘myopic’ optics. On paper, however, the instrument was ‘flawless.’

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IIRC, . . . that describes an error

WITH the numbers.

NOT an error OF the numbers.

Numbers are pretty basic critters.

The fallible humans goofed WITH the numbers. The numbers just sat there—puzzle pieces in the humans’ hands.


1,352 posted on 02/17/2010 2:49:36 AM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MarkBsnr
NOT an error OF the numbers

Ever heard of a faulty design?

Numbers by themselves mean nothing unless they correspond to reality, just as letters by themselves mean nothing. 

Theories are verified against reality, not the other way around.

The error with the the HST wasn't a faulty design on paper but a faulty "yardstick," so to say, used for verification. The numbers looked right, but what was measured as a "yard" wasn't really a "yard" but slightly less. 

In other cases the numbers are out together incorrectly and the resulting figures are flawed. In either case, the problem is trusting the numbers and confusing them with reality. The only tru test for a given working model is qualitative and not quantitative.

Trouble is: the engineers believed that because the numbers looked right they had to be right. The HST was never tested against an actual star image (such a test was deemed prohibitively costly for an already budget-busting project). The numbers were deemed "right" and believed true and the star test was deemed unnecessary.

Which brings me back to my earlier argument that just because you  believe (in) something doesn't mean it's true. Faith is no guarantee. Faith is not a verification of reality. At best it is hope, or no more than a guess.

Later.

1,368 posted on 02/17/2010 11:58:58 AM PST by kosta50 (The World is the way it is -- even if you don't understand it)
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