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The spiritual man sees all that the natural man sees and much, much more.

So do psychotics.

1,289 posted on 02/16/2010 11:23:11 AM PST by kosta50 (The World is the way it is -- even if you don't understand it)
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Ahhhhh psychotics . . .

now that’s something I know something about . . .

I didn’t realize you classed St Paul as a psychotic.


1,297 posted on 02/16/2010 12:33:59 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: kosta50
So do psychotics.

It isn't the PSUCHE alone which provides an area of thinking. The unbeliever can still understand many things in his soul (PSUCHE), but not spiritual things. Spiritual life first comes through the PNEUMA, the human spirit, regenerated by God by exercising faith, a non-meritorious trust in Christ alone.

PNEUMATIKOS is spiritual phenomenon understood. God the Holy Spirit teaches the believer with positive volition, PNEUMATIKOS in the human spirit.

Likewise, a believer out of fellowship with God, will not understand the spiritual life only from the PSUCHE.

GNOSIS is simply knowledge comprehended. GNOSIS is the content of information understood in the mind, the NOUS. When GNOSIS, which is pure from God, i.e. Faith, in the form of Doctrine from God the Holy Spirit's teaching ministry, via the PNEUMATIKOS, it flows into the NOUS in the form of academically understood information or in psychological terms, it might be called receptive comprehension.

In 1Cor 2:14 we see the natural man doesn't receive the things of the Spirit of God. They are foolishness(absurd) to him. Neither can he know(GINOSKO) them, because they are discerned by the Spirit (or PNEUMATIKOS investigated).

God the Holy Spirit isn't finished, though, as the GNOSIS by itself is insufficient for good works by the believer.

That GNOSIS is processed by God the Holy Spirit into EPIGNOSIS in the KARDIA or heart of the soul of the believer.

Note the language of 1Cor 8:1. Knowledge(GNOSIS) puffeth up, but charity(AGAPE) edifieth(OIKODOMEO).

Both the believer out of fellowship and the unbeliever can have GNOSIS, but not GNOSIS of PNEUMATIKOS. That only comes in the believer through faith in Christ, while the believer is in fellowship with God the Holy Spirit and by the Grace of God.

Consider Mark 2:6-8 complemented by Luke 5:21-22.

Specifically in Mark 2:8

Mar 2:8 (8) And immediately when Jesus perceived(EPIGINOSKO) in his spirit(PNEUMA, human spirit) that they so reasoned(DIALOGIZOMAI) (they had reasoned from the preceding verses, who can forgive sins but God Himself) within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason(DIALOGIZOMAI) ye these things in your hearts(KARDIA)?

Compare with Luke 5:22

Luk 5:22 (22) But when Jesus perceived(EPIGINOSKO) their thoughtsThis is also an outstanding example of the doctrine of Kenosis, where our Lord Christ Jesus receives PNEUMATIKOS from God the Holy Spirit in his human spirit of the thoughts of the scribes and Pharisees, then simply asks them why they are reasoning such things in their hearts.

He then by Grace displays for them that He not only had power over the palsy, but also had power upon earth to forgive sins.

1,323 posted on 02/16/2010 7:34:53 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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