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HD-Instead of going through the rest of your points, let me ask you one question:

MD-No.

My question was, Do you believe Christ faced the wrath of God on the cross as a punishment for our sins and His blood was spilled as atoning for our sins? I noticed you did not answer this question but danced around with all sort of other things and then say I'M making a false representation. I am doing nothing of the sort and my references support my claims.

The Catechism that you point out and continue to point out does not accept Christ being the punishment for our sins. NewAdvent states that this doctrine has evolved to a point where the Catholic Church no longer believes that Christ died as a punishment for our sins. And to be perfectly honest, I don't give two hoots as to what some of the "latest and greatest" Catholic "scholars" have to say about the subject. The fact remains that the early church fathers and the scriptures confirms that Christ bore our punishment. The Catholic Church pretends they go back to the early fathers only where it suits their interests.

So I'll ask it one more time, Do you believe Christ faced the wrath of God on the cross as a punishment for our sins and His blood was spilled as atoning for our sins?

I noticed that rnmom and Mr. Rogers quoted you the exact same passages that I quoted way back. Fancy that. And here I didn't even peek. I'm always late.

At this point in the conversation, what I believe has nothing to do with your incomprehensible claims about the Catechism.

You can note all you like about my refusal to answer. I am not hiding it.

At PRESENT I REFUSE TO ANSWER HARLEYD's QUESTION ABOUT WHAT I BELIEVE ABOUT THE ATONEMENT.
WHY? BECAUSE IT IS NOT THE ORIGINAL TOPIC AND BECAUSE HIS INTERPRETATION OF THE CATECHISM LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT HE IS LIKELY TO MISINTERPRET ANYTHING I MIGHT WRITE.

So go ahead and note to your hearts content. I will add that you did not answer my question about whether you had read Cur Deus Homo or not, and I did not object. My question was at least relevant since the topic you introduced was not my belief but the teaching of the Catholic Church on Atonement and how it has developed. Asking for a confession of faith from me was and is a change of the topic which you brought up.

I am in a quandary. The only explanations I can come up with for how you would miss the plain meaning of the sections we posted from the Catechism's discussion of the atonement would fall under the mind-reading rubric, so I cannot say them.

All I can say is that I know of no other person who has read (or who claims to have read) that part of the Catechism and who says it teaches the exemplary doctrine of the atonement and no other. In fact, I thought it gave the exemplary doctrine rather short shrift.

So we cannot communicate or will not if we pursue this subject. It is as if we both looked at a house and you said, "It is short, round, and grey," and I said "it is tall angular and green." So I see no point in proceeding further.

At PRESENT I REFUSE TO ANSWER HARLEYD's QUESTION ABOUT WHAT I BELIEVE ABOUT THE ATONEMENT.WHY? BECAUSE IT IS NOT THE ORIGINAL TOPIC AND BECAUSE HIS INTERPRETATION OF THE CATECHISM LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT HE IS LIKELY TO MISINTERPRET ANYTHING I MIGHT WRITE.

At PRESENT I REFUSE TO ANSWER HARLEYD's QUESTION ABOUT WHAT I BELIEVE ABOUT THE ATONEMENT.
WHY? BECAUSE IT IS NOT THE ORIGINAL TOPIC AND BECAUSE HIS INTERPRETATION OF THE CATECHISM LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT HE IS LIKELY TO MISINTERPRET ANYTHING I MIGHT WRITE.