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To: RnMomof7
"propitiation" is too restrictive a translation for hilasmos.

As for the rest I didn't ask for Scriptures about the CONCEPT of Christ restoring unity between the redeemed and God. The complaint against the catechism seemed to be about the choice of words. So to point out how totally off the wall the complaints were, I asked for the use of THE WORD atonement in the Bible.

My complaint is this over-reaching grabbing at a non-existent andimpossilbe clarity about what is a mystery.

If I recall correctly, in the LXX hilasmos translates the KPR words of the hebrew Testament. KPR really does have a root meaning o 'cover" which I'd guess is why Peter uses a kalyps word -(apo+calypse is pretty much UN + VEIL, kalypse is veil, so by implication a covering.

THe KPR stem gets into Arabic as the root of the word Kaffir - infidel, the idea seems to be the infidel covers the true doctrine.

SO, when we get to "covering" as the root concept behind what is later called "atonement" we realize that one image, one word isn't gonna get it. The thing is too big. We can only look for an array of images to hope to be able to touch it, much less grasp it.

And part of that is understanding what it means for us to be NOT at-oned with God.

So the discourse grows as the insight which only the atoning love ;-) of Christ can give is developed.

6,573 posted on 01/26/2010 8:36:15 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg
atoning sacrifice
That is not a translation. THAT is a paraphrase. I don't even need to crack my Koine NT. HE is the "hilasmos" for our sins.

What does this mean to you? What did Christ do on the cross?? Cover your sins ?? make payment for them? What does the cross of Christ do?

6,580 posted on 01/26/2010 9:38:52 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: Mad Dawg
SO, when we get to "covering" as the root concept behind what is later called "atonement" we realize that one image, one word isn't gonna get it. The thing is too big

Not to me, it is bigger than my human mind can comprehend..

6,581 posted on 01/26/2010 9:40:37 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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