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To: Mad Dawg; Iscool; Forest Keeper

If you are referring to Col 1:24, I don’t see any attempt to deceive in Tyndale’s translation. If it is left as he translated:

24 Now ioye I in my soferinges which I suffre for you and fulfill that which is behynde of the passions of Christ in my flesshe for his bodies sake which is the congregacion

then I would apply that the same as the NASB: “24Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church”

Now, I’m going to claim some special insight into this verse that many theologians don’t have. I spent 25 years in the military. I deployed far more often than I can remember. I couldn’t count the times I pulled my butt out of the sack for a 0130 or 0200 start time. My final deployment to a combat zone was as a 49 year old officer to Afghanistan, and I specifically requested (and was granted) NOT to go to Bagram, where 5000 Americans have 3 hot meals a day and many have private rooms with internet access. FWIW, I was at Sharana and Jalalabad - both large FOBs, but I was too senior to get sent to anyplace smaller.

What did Paul mean when he said, “24 Now ioye I in my soferinges which I suffre for you and fulfill that which is behynde of the passions of Christ in my flesshe for his bodies sake which is the congregacion”?

He meant he was glad he wasn’t a REMF. He was thrilled not to be a REMF. He didn’t want to be a Christian REMF.

And if anyone doesn’t understand what REMF means, google it or ask. A hint can be found here:

http://www.vietvet.org/remfday.htm


5,771 posted on 01/22/2010 8:12:18 AM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Mr Rogers

In the name of Christ Jesus and in my family’s name, thank you for your service to our country.

Surely everyone knows REMF. ;-D

Your interpretation is plausible, but actually, I think the verse means that AND MORE.


5,776 posted on 01/22/2010 8:17:42 AM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Mad Dawg; Iscool; Forest Keeper
I believe the same idea is here:

"I have thought it necessary to send to you Epaphroditus my brother and fellow worker and fellow soldier, and your messenger and minister to my need, for he has been longing for you all and has been distressed because you heard that he was ill. Indeed he was ill, near to death. But God had mercy on him, and not only on him but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow. I am the more eager to send him, therefore, that you may rejoice at seeing him again, and that I may be less anxious. So receive him in the Lord with all joy, and honor such men, for he nearly died for the work of Christ, risking his life to complete what was lacking in your service to me." - Phil 2

From the ESV Study Bible:

I am filling up (Gk. antanapleroo) what is lacking (Gk. hysterema) in Christ's afflictions does not imply that there is a deficiency in Christ's atoning death and suffering on the cross, which would contradict the central message of this letter and all the rest of Scripture as well (cf. Heb. 9:12, 24–26; 10:14). Christ's sufferings are in fact sufficient, and nothing of one's own can be added to secure salvation. What was “lacking” in Christ's afflictions was the future suffering of all who (like Paul) will experience great affliction for the sake of the gospel, as Paul described, e.g., in 2 Cor. 1:8–10. (Cf. Phil. 2:30, where Paul tells the Philippians that Epaphroditus risked his life “to complete [Gk. anapleroo] what was lacking [Gk. hysterema] in your service to me”.)"

I gather some consider that inadequate, since Paul says church instead of gospel. However, Paul's suffering were in preaching the Gospel to the benefit of the church (or assembled...;>).

In context:

"...if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, became a minister. 24 Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church, 25 of which I became a minister according to the stewardship from God that was given to me for you, to make the word of God fully known, 26 the mystery hidden for ages and generations but now revealed to his saints. 27 To them God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. 28 Him we proclaim, warning everyone and teaching everyone with all wisdom, that we may present everyone mature in Christ. 29 For this I toil, struggling with all his energy that he powerfully works within me."

5,790 posted on 01/22/2010 8:30:01 AM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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