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To: John Leland 1789

ABSOLUTELY INDEED.

That’s my read of history as well.

And, it is the most logical.

REVISIONISM . . . particularly on the part of the powerful . . . whether intellectual/educational power; political power or military power . . .

has been alive a LONG time.

Thanks for a great and UNRUBBERIZED historical post.


4,787 posted on 01/19/2010 7:12:48 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

1. We are told to “check THE historical documents.” Meaning: Their historical documents are THE historical documents.

2. We are told (or it is directly implied) that the only safeguard against error or heresy in the early churches was to come under their bishops. The Holy Spirit either didn’t indwell new believers or He was incapable of keeping a believer from error, if they are to be believed. And this in the face of the fact that worldwide there are people who are demon-possessed, worshippers of unclean things still standing at the front of altars controlled by the “SEE”, opening their mouths and having something called “His Body” put in their mouths every Sunday morning. They are not guarded from error even within the system, while it is denied that the Holy Ghost of God can keep someone from error outside the system.

3. We are told to believe that no individual believers ever left Syria, Palestine or Asia Minor and carried the Gospel of Jesus Christ to any other regions, and that none of them could have ever witnessed for Christ or formed congregations of believers elsewhere in the first century. Somehow, every one who ever trusted the Blood of Jesus and became a child of the Living God, like a robot held by some kind of giant ecclesiastical magnet, never got on a horse, rode a wagon, or walked north, or west, or east for that matter, with the message of the Son of God and the Cross. No believer was constrained by the love of Christ to personally witness for Christ, but were all like (evidently) the common systemites in my neighborhood who would never open their mouths on a public street and talk about sin, righteousness, Christ, the Cross, judgment to come, or the necessity of the New Birth—further they think anyone who would to be weird—“My religion is private and my own business; get off my door step” kind of people.

4. No Christians in the first century (if one can believe them) ever traveled and opened their mouths for Christ unless it was under the authority of bishops—THEIR bishops, of which there were really none yet, except that there must of always been some Babylonian mystery types who loved presenting themselves by robes and special head dress, and waving their hands in certain orchestrated configurations, so that they would appear hyper-authoritative and spiritual (which spirit?). There could not have possibly been any true ministers of the Gospel of Jesus Christ who were just common men—and looked like common men, who went about as evangelists.

5. According to them, any true Christianity could only have spread itself along the ROMAN ROADS—The Apian Way. No poor child of God with the zeal and compassion of Christ in his bosom, taking goods north to the regions beyond, could have, in the first century, preached the Cross to anyone—there could never have been a congregation of believers where the “SEE” might not have seen.

6. The rural, non-urban regions bordering on the Barbarian regions, or into the Barbarion regions themselves, being Pagan, and worshiping false gods, ate for supper any wandering evangelistic child of God before he could ever utter the name, “Jesus.” That is, evidently, if one’s brain cannot think beyond “SEE”-approved histories. No Barbarion regions to the north could have possibly ever entertained a first century believer in Jesus Christ on his travels selling from a wagon things he had purchased in Antioch.

7. All Montanists and Donatists were heretics of course, if you read the “SEE” dominated histories on these people. And at the same time it is impossible that there were any true believers in Christ who were not “SEE”ists, Donatists, or Montanists, but simply CHRISTIANS who had heard that Blood had been shed by the Son of God to purge their consciences from dead works, reconcile them to a Holy God, and set them FREE, and were spreading that message. Oh, such a thing is impossible. Nobody could have known those things without the “SEE”, you see.

8. All bishoprics were tightly held, according to the “SEE”’s official accounting—and of course it is impossible that there were hundreds of bishops that the “SEE”’s bishops knew nothing about, and therefore were never included in their histories. Or they knew about them, and persecuted them, told lies about their beliefs or exaggerated minor points of disagreement into mountains of heresies, and held them only as heretics because they wouldn’t knuckle under, but rather knew how to be led by God’s Holy Ghost.

9. No region that didn’t use Koine Greek as the native language could possibly have received the Gospel of Christ from travelers and merchants who had learned the native dialects long before they themselves had become believers. That is if you accept the reasoning of people who believe the gospel could only be propagated along the Apian Way in the first century.

I know quite a few people who have learned to speak several dialects of Chinese without ever sitting in a language school, and some don’t have more than a high school education and perhaps got C- or D+ in their high school French class—but when they were regenerated by the Holy Ghost (that means SAVED, if one can ever think beyond the doctrine of the Apian Way), and God put a fire for the Christ and the Gospel in their hearts, the Holy Spirit also enlivened in them a new purpose for learning language, and so they found themselves bi-lingual and tri-lingual. But nobody in the first century could possibly have been so gifted and moved by God in the Barbarian dialects north of the official borders of the Roman Empire. Nobody ever sat around a night fire with Vandals or Barbarians Germanics in the first century and said, “Hey, I learned something about a Saviour from sin while I was buying these textiles in southern Byzantania, and I’d like to tell you about that Saviour.”

10, We simply must not allow in history the possibility that their were any soul-winning Christians where the “SEE” could not see—and control.


4,814 posted on 01/19/2010 10:06:45 AM PST by John Leland 1789 (But then, I'm accused of just being a troll, so . . . .)
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