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To: MarkBsnr
HUH?

Matthew 22: 34 19 When the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together, 35 and one of them [a scholar of the law] 20 tested him by asking, 36 "Teacher, 21 which commandment in the law is the greatest?" 37 He said to him, 22 "You shall love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38 This is the greatest and the first commandment. 39 The second is like it: 23 You shall love your neighbor as yourself

We had this discussion earlier... no one can keep this law.. This is a summary of the ten commandments.. and even the catholic church admits only Christ could keep the law perfectly

As for your 2nd scripture..If you look you will see many ex Catholics/non Catholics in Haiti right as we write.. to say that people leave the Catholic church because they do not want to do "good works" I will partially agree with you..We do not want to do "good works " to be saved . Jesus completed that work.. We desire to do the works that God has ordained for us to do..FOR HIS GLORY not our good or glory

4,557 posted on 01/18/2010 1:04:11 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: RnMomof7; MarkBsnr; Petronski
We do not want to do "good works " to be saved .

Did Jesus Christ lie?

31 And when the Son of man shall come in his majesty, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit upon the seat of his majesty. 32 And all nations shall be gathered together before him, and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left. 34 Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in:

36 Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. 37 Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, and fed thee; thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 And when did we see thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and covered thee? 39 Or when did we see thee sick or in prison, and came to thee? 40 And the king answering, shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.

41 Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry, and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me not to drink. 43 I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you covered me not: sick and in prison, and you did not visit me. 44 Then they also shall answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to thee? 45 Then he shall answer them, saying: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it not to one of these least, neither did you do it to me.

46 And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.
-- Matthew 25:31-46

4,560 posted on 01/18/2010 1:22:34 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: RnMomof7
We had this discussion earlier... no one can keep this law.. This is a summary of the ten commandments.. and even the catholic church admits only Christ could keep the law perfectly

Do you mean the Catholic Church?

The second part of your statement - so what? Christ TOLD us to keep it. Are you postulating that simply because you can't, then it is irrelevant? What kind of Christianity do you profess to follow? This is the instruction of Jesus. Bona fide Christians do not profess anything else. Are you Christian?

Matthew 22: 34 19 When the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together, 35 and one of them [a scholar of the law] 20 tested him by asking, 36 "Teacher, 21 which commandment in the law is the greatest?" 37 He said to him, 22 "You shall love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38 This is the greatest and the first commandment. 39 The second is like it: 23 You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Luke 14: 7 4 He told a parable to those who had been invited, noticing how they were choosing the places of honor at the table. 8 "When you are invited by someone to a wedding banquet, do not recline at table in the place of honor. A more distinguished guest than you may have been invited by him, 9 and the host who invited both of you may approach you and say, 'Give your place to this man,' and then you would proceed with embarrassment to take the lowest place. 10 Rather, when you are invited, go and take the lowest place so that when the host comes to you he may say, 'My friend, move up to a higher position.' Then you will enjoy the esteem of your companions at the table. 11 For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted." 12 Then he said to the host who invited him, "When you hold a lunch or a dinner, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or your wealthy neighbors, in case they may invite you back and you have repayment. 13 Rather, when you hold a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind; 14 blessed indeed will you be because of their inability to repay you. For you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous."

As for your 2nd scripture..If you look you will see many ex Catholics/non Catholics in Haiti right as we write.. to say that people leave the Catholic church because they do not want to do "good works" I will partially agree with you..We do not want to do "good works " to be saved . Jesus completed that work.. We desire to do the works that God has ordained for us to do..FOR HIS GLORY not our good or glory

I'd suggest that you go back and read Matthew and Luke. I'd recommend that you dwell on the last verse of Luke in response to your posting. Jesus is not Calvin and the doctrines of Calvin cannot be found in Christ. Examples?

1 Timothy 2: 1 1 First of all, then, I ask that supplications, prayers, petitions, and thanksgivings be offered for everyone, 2 for kings and for all in authority, that we may lead a quiet and tranquil life in all devotion and dignity. 3 This is good and pleasing to God our savior, 4 who wills everyone to be saved and to come to knowledge of the truth.

This is not found in Reformed documentation or doctrines.

John 12: 30 Jesus answered and said, "This voice did not come for my sake but for yours. 31 Now is the time of judgment on this world; now the ruler of this world 18 will be driven out. 32 And when I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw everyone to myself."

This is not found in Reformed doctrine.

Romans 10: 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; the same Lord is Lord of all, enriching all who call upon him. 13 For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

This is not found in Reformed doctrine.

2 Peter 3: 7 The present heavens and earth have been reserved by the same word for fire, kept for the day of judgment and of destruction of the godless. 8 6 7 But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years like one day. 9 The Lord does not delay his promise, as some regard "delay," but he is patient with you, not wishing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

This is not found in Reformed doctrine.

1 John 2: 1 My children, 1 I am writing this to you so that you may not commit sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous one. 2 He is expiation for our sins, and not for our sins only but for those of the whole world.

This is not found in Reformed doctrine.

John 1: 28 This happened in Bethany across the Jordan, 20 where John was baptizing. 29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God, 21 who takes away the sin of the world.

Matthew 5-25 contains the Beatitudes and also the three parables of salvation. These are also not found in Calvinism. I don't care if you think that you can follow the commands of Jesus or not. The point is that Jesus instructed us. You may not gainsay that and remain Christian.

4,563 posted on 01/18/2010 1:30:55 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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