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To: Mr Rogers
“All things in Scripture are not alike plain in themselves, nor alike clear unto all (2 Pet. 3:16); yet those things which are necessary to be known, believed, and observed for salvation, are so clearly propounded, and opened in some place of Scripture or other, that not only the learned, but the unlearned, in a due use of the ordinary means, may attain unto a sufficient understanding of them (Ps. 119:105, 130).”

Again, please notice that the NT instructions say one thing and the OT instructions indicate another. Why do you pick the OT instructions over the New? Remember that we have Jesus labouriously instructing His Church for three long years, setting Peter up as the steward (the keys, remember?) and we have Paul telling Timothy that the church (not Scripture) is the foundation and pillar of Truth. “Evangelicals believe that Scripture is comprehensible enough so that, with the aid of the Holy Spirit and by using a sound hermeneutic that allows Scripture to interpret itself, anyone who desires to do so can understand God’s message.

But there is no NT basis for that. The NT teaches (in the case of the eunuch) that it is the Church that is required for instruction in the Faith.

4,417 posted on 01/18/2010 7:17:50 AM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

“Why do you pick the OT instructions over the New? Remember that we have Jesus labouriously instructing His Church for three long years, setting Peter up as the steward (the keys, remember?) and we have Paul telling Timothy that the church (not Scripture) is the foundation and pillar of Truth.”

I don’t. I interpret the OT in the light of the NT, believing BOTH to be the breath of God. I just like to read entire books, so to speak.

Peter was given the keys, and he used them. He opened the kingdom of Heaven to the Jews on Pentecost, and to the Gentiles in the house of Cornelius.

But that did NOT set up Peter as Steward. At least, none of the other Apostles seemed to have thought him such, and nothing in his statements in Acts or 1 & 2 Peter would suggest it. In fact, in 2 Peter he wrote:

“13I think it right, as long as I am in this body, to stir you up by way of reminder, 14 since I know that the putting off of my body will be soon, as our Lord Jesus Christ made clear to me. 15And I will make every effort so that after my departure you may be able at any time to recall these things.

6For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17For when he received honor and glory from God the Father, and the voice was borne to him by the Majestic Glory, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased,” 18we ourselves heard this very voice borne from heaven, for we were with him on the holy mountain. 19And we have something more sure, the prophetic word, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, 20knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. 21For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.”

The church IS the support of the truth...not the truth itself.

“The NT teaches (in the case of the eunuch) that it is the Church that is required for instruction in the Faith.”

And the church is supposed to use scripture: “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”

If the church uses scripture - for Paul was writing to Timothy about what he should DO - then “the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.” Unfortunately, the Catholic Church & its doctrine goes well beyond the faith handed down by the Apostles.


4,444 posted on 01/18/2010 8:34:06 AM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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