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To: Judith Anne
St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle, be thou our safeguard against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him/her, we humbly pray. And do thou, o prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God, cast into hell all the evil spirits who prowl about the religion forum, seeking the ruin of souls.

Actually Michael is the angel assigned,by God, to guard Israel.. Daniel 10:13,31; 12:1 and Last I heard it is still God, not the church that assigns angels ... I suspect Michael is a bit busy in the mid east right now:)

There is no scripture that suggest prayer to angels..in fact one must wonder just how an angel becomes a "saint", as a "Saint " is one in Catholic speak ,that lived a holy life..and did a few miracles after they died.. Seeing that michael never had sin, never lived a human life with all its temptations and was never saved by the blood of Christ ...it is really hard to figure out how the whole saint thing applies to them..but anyway..I think I will pray directly to the one Michael answers to in the chain of command :)

3,793 posted on 01/16/2010 12:17:19 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: RnMomof7
in fact one must wonder just how an angel becomes a "saint", as a "Saint " is one in Catholic speak ,that lived a holy life..and did a few miracles after they died..

Not exactly.

Saint means "holy". Certainly for the church to declare (not MAKE, mind you, just declare or acknowledge) a human to be a saint, the qualifications you mention are applicable, more or less.

Angels, however, being of a different order of creation, have different rules. The ones that aren't demons are holy. Therefore they are saints - 'holy ones'.

A little learning is a dangerous thing.

Further, any clue about what we say about the relationship between the Church and the "Israel of God" or "the new Israel?"

Your side doesn't realize that just as there is a kind of organic unity to your view, so also there is to ours. So you take your side's idea of Church and then try to apply that to our side's idea of angelology.

3,831 posted on 01/16/2010 2:19:56 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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