[Kolokotronis]

"I would contend that the ONLY REASON that the Orthodox (and to a lesser extent the tradional Anglicans and Lutherans) aren't attacked more is that the bigots are less familiar with them. All of the "talking points" are geared toward the Catholic Church and the bigots are typically ignorant to the fact that not all of the views that they are attacking are peculiar to Catholics."

I agree. In fact, if many in the ecclesial assemblies knew where the Latins got so many of their beliefs and that some of them are in a sense "toned down" from the way we Orthodox live out those doctrines and dogmas (Most Holy Theotokos, Save Us!), I expect we'd be the target of much more vitriol. On the other hand, if they did understand such things, maybe then they would also understand that most of what they think are "papist magic", in fact are practices from the earliest days of The Church and have nothing whatsoever to do with the Papacy their ecclesial ancestors rebelled against.

Of course if the Orthodox, or even just a few of us, bow out of FR because of what has happened today, that won't happen.

[wagglebee]

I can only speak for myself, but I would hate to see any of my Orthodox brothers leave over this.

[OpusatFR]

“Of course if the Orthodox, or even just a few of us, bow out of FR because of what has happened today, that won’t happen.”

Stay! Perhaps today is a clarion call for the Orthodox to post the earliest doctrines of the Theotokos, and others.

Nothing is ever coincidence. IMHO.

[the_conscience]

I agree. In fact, if many in the ecclesial assemblies knew where the Latins got so many of their beliefs and that some of them are in a sense "toned down" from the way we Orthodox live out those doctrines and dogmas (Most Holy Theotokos, Save Us!), I expect we'd be the target of much more vitriol. On the other hand, if they did understand such things, maybe then they would also understand that most of what they think are "papist magic", in fact are practices from the earliest days of The Church and have nothing whatsoever to do with the Papacy their ecclesial ancestors rebelled against.

With your claim that your assembly is the One True Church I would think you would have a duty to do so, at least from my perspective.

I also think this thread has been instructive that the term Catholic assigned to the churches associated with the Pope is fraught with all kinds of difficulties. You believe you have a claim based on apostolic succession and I believe I have a claim from God himself.

[Quix]

I disagree.

You and others of your persuasion and I have had fierce exchanges. I’m not ignorant of the differences.

However, once we thrashed things out or at least about sufficiently to pretty thoroughly understand where we each were on some key points, we accepted it and went our ways with whatever degree of respect we were ablt to own for the others—in my case, I respect you both considerably.

I nor the rest of the TPC’s have had to put up with a dozen or two dozen rabid Orthodox fiercely brittle, prickly, personally assaultive shrilly attacking, baiting, !!!!DEMANDINIG!!!!, !!!!CONTROLLING!!!!! even the words we post—insisting that we KOWTOW AND COMPLY with THEIR construction on what constitutes the Universal Church of Jesus Christ—at alll—much less almost 24/7.