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To: annalex; Mr Rogers; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; esquirette; Quix; Alamo-Girl
I have never seen a passage from the Bible, taken in its close context, that contradicts any Catholic doctrine

You mean like this one:

However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.

Dude, you're scaring me.

2,406 posted on 01/12/2010 9:18:34 PM PST by the_conscience (True Americans do not insist on politically correct speech codes.)
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To: the_conscience

That does not contradict any Catholic doctrine.


2,408 posted on 01/12/2010 9:21:19 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: the_conscience; Mr Rogers; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; esquirette; Quix; Alamo-Girl
1 What shall we say then that Abraham hath found, who is our father according to the flesh. 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory, but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was reputed to him unto justice. 4 Now to him that worketh, the reward is not reckoned according to grace, but according to debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, yet believeth in him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is reputed to justice, according to the purpose of the grace of God.

(Rm 4:3-5)

What is my problem, supposedly? If Abraham did his works by his own calculations, that would be his debt to the Providence, but as he did his works by faith with no self-serving calculus, it is his salvific work. You think crossing the desert and sacrificing one's son is no work? What desert have you crossed?

2,416 posted on 01/12/2010 9:32:23 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: the_conscience
Dude, you're scaring me.

If I met somebody whose understanding of Catholic doctrine was so weak that he thought that text contradicted it, I'd say he was right to be scared.

2,460 posted on 01/13/2010 2:17:02 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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