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To: UriÂ’el-2012
"How do they trace themselves back to Abraham ?"

In the Koran as in the Old Testament Ishmael is the first-born son of Abraham (Ibrahim in Arabic) his concubine Hagar, and as an appointed prophet and messenger ("Rasul") of God. It was Ishmael that God ordered sacrificed.

Ishmael, through his son Nebaioth (Nabit), is the ancestor of Adnani Arabs. His descendants include the Islamic prophet Muhammad. Both Ishmael and Isaac were present at the burial of their father, Abraham.

2,378 posted on 01/12/2010 8:36:17 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law; Cronos
In the Koran as in the Old Testament Ishmael is the first-born son of Abraham (Ibrahim in Arabic) his concubine Hagar, and as an appointed prophet and messenger ("Rasul") of God. It was Ishmael that God ordered sacrificed.

Ishmael, through his son Nebaioth (Nabit), is the ancestor of Adnani Arabs. His descendants include the Islamic prophet Muhammad. Both Ishmael and Isaac were present at the burial of their father, Abraham.

I have to disagree with your statement.

To the causal reader, Ishmael is Abram first son.

However YHvH states differently

Genasis 22:2 He said, "Take now your son, your only son,
whom you love, Isaac, and go to the land of Moriah,
and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the
mountains of which I will tell you."
Ismael was born to Abram before YHvH breathed His Breath
into him and changed his name to Abraham.

The author of Hebrews spends a great deal of time
and ink on Isaac in chapter 11.

See Stephen in Acts:

Acts 7: 32 'I AM THE GOD OF YOUR FATHERS,
THE GOD OF ABRAHAM AND ISAAC AND JACOB.'
Moses shook with fear and would not venture to look.
I commend that you read Genesis 17 to understand Ishmael.

Rav Sha'ul discusses Hagar and her son in Galatians 4
in detail as to the spirit and the flesh.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
2,599 posted on 01/13/2010 12:25:00 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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