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To: Mad Dawg
Repeatedly, redundantly, over and over again, we set forth as clearly as we can in what respect we consider ourselves the true church and how we are related to other baptized Christians AND the difference between being a heretic and believing a heresy (which one could do in ignorance or in error.)

That may be accurate to say after your religion flip-flopped on the issue...But clearly in the earlier days, your religion did not take your position, according to your popes...

Your early popes

1,885 posted on 01/11/2010 7:14:58 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool; wmfights
I'm not even going to look. We've gone over this so many times. The relevant quotes are on this page.

Some mistake adumbration and explication for change. Some being taught by teachers who do whatever they can to paint the Church in the worst possible light, become wedded to the thrill of looking down on the Church and her teachings. As the Church explores and refines what she says, these people claim that she is flip-flopping, only because she doesn't say what their teachers assured them (a)she did say; and (b) gave them reason, they thought, to despise her.

I understand how frustrating it is to get a good hate on and then find that what one thought was a good reason was a misunderstanding. The first thing one has to learn IF one is going to play the "What is Catholic Teaching anyway?" game is to move circumspectly, deliberately, and carefully. One's failure to do so does not justify saying the Church changed her view.

What is correct, however, is that the emphasis and stresses change. On another thread a Catholic whom I would describe as a rigorist says I am too squishy. If his side got a hold of the printing presses, one would get a mistaken idea of what we teach and think (IMHO, In HIS HO I am giving a mistaken view. I am confident, though, in having recourse to the already oft-cited passages from the Catechism and from Vatican II)I can see how it seems that the position has changed. But I don't think it has.

1,984 posted on 01/12/2010 3:36:28 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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