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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Natural Law

Not only does God not give the grace necessary to repent and believe to everyone, but He actually blinds some that they may not see or understand

Luke 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand

John 6 is the strongest predestination chapter in scripture.. that is the message of that chapter

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
John 6:39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which has sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Our salvation really is a gift, not an earned reward for being smarter or more clever than others.. Salvation is all of God from beginning to end!


1,845 posted on 01/11/2010 3:29:19 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Not only does God not give the grace necessary to repent and believe to everyone, but He actually blinds some that they may not see or understand.

Another one of Calvin's twisted traditions of men.

1,846 posted on 01/11/2010 3:32:08 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: RnMomof7
"Not only does God not give the grace necessary to repent and believe to everyone, but He actually blinds some that they may not see or understand"

That is mumbo-jumbo intended to give some the power to grant a get out of jail (hell) free card and to deny others their just reward. It is about reinforcing a kingdom on earth, not a heavenly kingdom.

God knows from the beginning what your decisions will be, but He doesn't make them for you.

Predestination is a term used to identify God’s plan of salvation, in which according to His own decree, He “accomplishes all things according to his will” (Eph. 1:11). God gives us the gift of salvation through grace and faith. In turn, we must use our free will to persevere in good works “prepared beforehand” by God Himself (Eph. 2:8-10; cf. Phil. 2:12, 13).

There are two opposite and equally erroneous positions about predestination that have always been rejected in authentic Catholic teaching. The first is that of the Pelagians. Pelagius taught that a person, by the exercise his free will, could obtain salvation unaided by grace. The obvious error here is that God has nothing to do with salvation.

Calvinists and Jansenists teach the second error. They teach that Christ died only for the elect; those predestined to salvation. The rest He predestined to eternal damnation by His own decree. Furthermore, they taught that if God predestined someone to eternal life, it is impossible that he should fall away. Likewise, one chosen for damnation has no choice in the matter, but will surely perish in hell. In short, the individual has nothing to do with his own salvation.

1,849 posted on 01/11/2010 3:53:17 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: RnMomof7
Not only does God not give the grace necessary to repent and believe to everyone, but He actually blinds some that they may not see or understand

Our salvation really is a gift, not an earned reward for being smarter or more clever than others.. Salvation is all of God from beginning to end!

Amen! As the Scripture you gave teaches us.

1,970 posted on 01/12/2010 12:28:42 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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