So much error, so little time.
“When St. Paul says “Who [God, that is] will render to every man according to his works”, I take from it that God will render salvation or condemnation according to his works (Rm. 2:6, and for context see down to verse 10, and of course see Matthew 25 the second part of the chapter).”
Paul wrote in paragraphs and pages. His thought extends beyond the scope of an individual verse. To take a verse and apply it literally without looking at the context of the whole argument is to court error.
“Nowhere, except in Luther’s fraudulent and now forgotten translation, does any part of the Romans teach that man is saved by faith alone.”
Try Ephesians 2. Try John 3. Try Galatians. Try ROMANS!
“9because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.”
That we are saved by grace through faith that manifests itself in good works is the theme of most of the New Testament.
And what are we judged on?
Jesus said, “Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already”...Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”
“Efter we are justified we are in heaven or hell, to late to develop anything.”
NO! No, no, no!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are justified already, or we are not Christian at all!
Rom 5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
1Cr 6:11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
We HAVE BEEN saved.
Ephesians 2: made us alive together with Christ— by grace you have been saved— 6and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Colossians 1 And you, who once were alienated and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds, 22he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him
We HAVE BEEN justified, we HAVE BEEN reconciled.
Hebrews 10: “For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.”
PERFECTED FOR ALL TIME.
“the verse you omit to make the erroneous point.”
Not hardly.
8For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
We are justified and saved BY GRACE thru faith - not thru works of obedience. What does it SAY?! You HAVE BEEN SAVED. Not will be, or might be, but HAVE BEEN SAVED!
And why does he save us? We are created in Christ FOR good works. Not BY good works, but FOR good works!
“Where, do you think, St. Paul got his Romans 2:6-10, an AWANA class?”
Most AWANA classes would know to put Romans 2:1-6 in the context of Romans 1-3...
I’ll close with this...
“28Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” 29Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”
You are a patient and persistent man. God bless you for all your well thought out and scripturally PROVEN comments, repeatedly. I don’t believe, sadly, that some people on this thread will bother to read, much less understand what the Lord has to say here in these passages. It has been so drilled into them that salvation is not by faith alone that, no matter how many verses are quoted, it does not compute. There is a spiritual blindness happening, a hardened heart to the true gospel. Which, I know you know, means “good news”. Tell me how it is good news that we can believe in Jesus but, in the end, if we haven’t been “good enough”, we will go to hell?
Nothing in the wider context overturns the plain language of the letter, that God will render salvation or condemnation accoridng to everyone's work. The context qualifies this statement but it does not contradict it. Nothing in the Scripture is contradictory, and you preach contradiction.
Not surprisingly, you do not offer anything we did not cover together a half-hour ago. The faith is important and one with true faith will be saved. But the judgement is by the works, because both Romans 2 and Matthew 25 say so.
You can find verses that say "you have been saved" and there are verses that say "you will be saved" (you quoted one of them). That is because our salvation is not entirely in the past and it is not entirely in the future. It depends on our continuing works as well as on our faith. It is by faith, for example, that Abram crossed the desert into Palestine, and it is by faith the Catholic read about the necessity of the Eucharist and so do it. It is by lack of faith that you need kilobytes of fraudulent hermeneutics to read what is written in the Gospel.
Not will be, or might be, but HAVE BEEN SAVED!
Except it doesn't say so. It says γαρ χαριτι εστε σεσωσμενοι, you are saved, simple passive tense, not past perfect tense. King James, sloppy as it is, did not make that error.
This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent
That ends up in the necessity of believing in His presence in the Eucharist, does it not?
No one on my side is denying that the Catholic faith is saving faith.