Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience
I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?
I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?
All of that is lovely. Thanks.
Bedtime. Alleluia.
I will take this as a compliment, Quix. I would work to the betterment of all men, including those who spend time on the RF. Now, if I could just get some incense and a bunch of Hail Marys to the Protestants on here, the world would be a much better place. :)
The part of what you wrote that I bolded clearly conveys the view that a state of grace is presumed for Catholics and not for non-Catholic Christians.
That definitely is portraying non-Catholic Christians as 'less saved', or 'less Christian', or something.
Please feel welcome to state it in your own terms.
First, I am more than familiar with scripture as are many on this thread, and other religious threads as well. I think maybe you might mean we each apply scripture differently to how we see faith, salvation, life and doctrines, etc.
For what I’ve studied Jesus’ crucifixtion and ressurection was a one-time event, and included in that He did indeed say...”It is finished.” I have no problem accepting a one-time event which covers it all..”once..and for all.” Just as was said.
As to my judgement for sin? That has and is paid for, done, and over....”Therefore, there is now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus”... and how sweet that sound is indeed... And Those words were spoken directly after the apostle struggled with the question of sin...”who will save me?...” Pretty familiar struggle to me, and likely many.
I realize many in some churches have a difficult time accepting Christ did it all...and believe works are necessary and/or condem them in the herafter. But I have found only that rewards will be offered, and even these we will lay at his feet, for any good we do is from Him. His death either “finished” paying the price or not and if not we are all lost forever.
I can only agree we’ll disagree..and Christ to direct us all beyond that which can sometimes bind people.
For there is no such thing as a perfect church, it is indeed filled with sinners, and the only true thing that seperates us one from the other are those saved sinners and those who are not saved sinners....and they are all found within every church. That’s who we are...or will become.
We all do learn here on these threads but I think more would were it not for the bickering between these good debates and opinions shared. People jump to conclusions and strike with their words. (there is a difference of defending the faith and lashing out. When we lash out the rythum of the debate then gets lost as the battles of exchange rage. Guess we each need to discern why strike?
Sans Jesu Christe, nulla salus est.
Thanks for your understanding.
I use the net as reinforcement/reward for a break and for XX amount of time on task.
I have the new section on assignments/tasks 99% done. And the other two sections on bio and HUMAN FACTORS IN EDUCATIONAL PHILOSPHY AND EXPECTATIONS will not take that long. PTL.
Then to get the grade sheets with each students’ name on their Xcel pages and the dates redone . . .
And then the attendance cards.
Thankfully, first class is not until Tues afternoon.
I have plenty of time. I just need to avoid dwaddling.
LOL.
I think there are lots of paradoxes in all large organizations, particularly old and large ones.
I dearly love congregational prayer wherein most of the folks are praying earnestly outloud all at once.
Love it.
(pppst: “sans” French - “Sine” Latin)
Great explanations.
Yes it’s a compliment.
LOL re the insense etc.
Great points.
Yes. That is because a Catholic is instructed to examine his conscience before presenting himself for Holy communion, and seek sacramental absolution if the examination warrants it. The absolution restores the state of grace. The same presumption cannot be made about a non-Catholic.
Have you ever looked at the history of how Wikiipedia came about, whose site and sponsers, and how they put the definitions etc. together? Very intersting...and their definitions can often be tainted and slanted. I don’t use it often unless possibly for other source references they may give. I very suspecious of their actual history presentations and most they present. Anybody can add to what they have defined as well.
They were actually the proto Communists 200 years before Marx. They held property communal and owned everything jointly. It is just that some became first amongst equals. I find it odd that the Calvinists bruit about their championship of American capitalism, when the first Calvinists over here practiced proto Communism, and their descendants in the North East are currently the bastion of the liberal Democrat Party.
Definitely the sacrifice of the Cross was one for all times. However, it does not mean that it applies to everyone based on a mere profession of faith (Matthew 7:21). Were it so, there would be no Sermon on the Mount, no discourse on works-based judgement in Matthew 25, no exhortations to virtue with which St. Paul finishes his every letter, no demand for obedience and total submission to the will of Christ that we have in every Gospel (for example, Luke 18:22), no call to prayer (Matthew 5:44), forgiveness (Mark 11:26), conversion (Luke 13:3) and frequent (1 Cor. 11:25-26) reception of the Eucharist (John 6:54). These are exhortations repeated often, not isolated open to interpretation verses. Christ did put you on the road of salvation, but quite a bit of continuing work is required of you to walk it.
My kid goes to a church in Lotus land where at a certain point in the intercessions it’s “Free-for-all”. She says instead of taking turns everyone just says the name or whatever that he wants God to remember. She says she likes it a lot.
Very true.
Some day, Quix, the Holy Spirit will drop on you like the mythical Calvinist leopard, and then we shall see, my brother. :)
Yup. No one is arguing otherwise.
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