Who are the Catholics: The Orthodox or The Romanists, or both?

Me

[the_conscience]

I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?

I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?

[daniel1212]

I have some of that data in my collection. This here is the most massive available to see: http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/population/religion.html

[Quix]

This chronic

compulsion to

KILL THE MESSENGER

only works for some folks part of the time.

[Judith Anne]

I cannot hear you when you shout at me, Quix.

HTML Shouting is still shouting.

Please keep your intensity/”passion” under control.

Thank you.

[Quix]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

the old . . .

“that’s DIFFERENT”

explanation.

Quite a convenient one in these parts, it seems.

[Mr Rogers]

There are easily over 50,000 Baptist churches, all independent. I’d have to research it, but I’m confident that some of them have handled snakes.

But if you prefer, I once attended an Independent Bible Baptist church that made it clear the KJV IS the word of God, and no other English translation could be tolerated.

I wouldn’t want Catholics to attack me for believing that the KJV is the only true Word of God. I’ve met Baptists who thought salvation was on the merit system - did your merits outweigh your demerits. Totally false in Baptist teaching, but they believed it.

Would you want to be judged by the actions of Westboro Baptist Church? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church) I sure wouldn’t!

You can doubt that I’m a Baptist if you wish, but I’m pretty mainstream as a Baptist in the pew. There is nothing odd about a Baptist believing that Jesus came to save the world, that whosoever believes is saved, etc.

[Judith Anne]

Please show me where I attempted to “kill the messenger.”

If a source is impeachable because of anti-Catholic bias, what is that to you? If the data is accurately reported, but then used/twisted to an anti=Catholic end, it makes sense to point that out, unless your bias closes your mind.

Anyway, Daniel has said that he is the author of the website, and when I have my questions in order and have thoroughly looked it over, I will discuss it with him.

What is that to you?

[annalex]

What hope is there for Biblical clarity when Protestants adopt the papacy's vernacular?

I am worried about it as well. I trust you at least will stick to "romanist re-sacrifice of the materialistic body", for clarity's sake.

[Quix]

One of the reasons

I love

THE MESSAGE

version so strongly

is because it returns
Scripture in English to the robust passionate language God used in the original languages.

I simply do not agree with the trashing of “passion” in this discussion vis a vis our Heavenly bodies and lives.

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob I know is PASSIONATE TO THE MAX.

I have never observed that HE CREATED ME TO run around loose with chronically and eternally muffled, muted, hobbled, passions.

He rewarded David for David’s passionate dance before the Ark UNTO GOD.

I’ll take God’s biases on the passion issue any day over all this ‘lofty’ clap trap rationalizing it away . . .

any day.

[Judith Anne]

Your posts reveal a fairly mainstream Baptist, in my experience. I’m always glad to see them, because in content they remind me of my son in law.

[Mr Rogers]

“Perhaps this is referring to not rewards, but the lessening of the transition between sinful being on earth and pure being in Heaven.”

Good try, but Purgatory isn’t in scripture either. It speaks of reward in 1 Cor 3, not punishment. It speaks of ministry, not salvation or ‘temporal punishment’ for forgiven sins...a contradiction if I ever saw one. Forgiven, but needing punishment...odd.

And it IS explicitly speaking of reward: “14 If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward.

[annalex]

There is a reason that it is the same word. The underlying meaning is that of passivity, either as a convict is rendered passive, or a person loses control of his desires.

[Quix]

THANKS TONS.

Of course, I SUSPECT that far too many will still find new ways and rationalizations to

KILL THE MESSENGER.

And go on pretending that THE TRUTH does not matter.

[Hacksaw]

The website your stats come from also had this little gem on it: 150,000 People Will Die Today. The counter to the side is ticking off the number of people who have died since you opened this webpage. The vast majority of those people are entering Hell.

Someone who judges themselves fit to decide who is or is not going to hell (most of us it appears) is not to be trusted in their use of stats IMO.

[Quix]

I’m not.

MD, how about you articulating the lexicon as you see it vis a vis

passion
feelings
obsession
conviction

and the like

please.

[Judith Anne]

I simply do not agree with the trashing of “passion” in this discussion vis a vis our Heavenly bodies and lives.

As uneducated as I am, even I understand the use of the word in it's two radically different meanings. Can you bear with that, Old Bear? I'll try to bear up under your flagrant misunderstanding, even though it's only barely tolerable.

[185JHP]

I like “The Message.” I believe that it’s God-blessed work.

[Quix]

I never have

and likely never will

freely nor willingly

kowtow, dance to, comply with

your definition of

!!!!CONTROL!!!!

Just not my thing to do.

[Quix]

Occasionally it would be plausible.

110% of the time?

No way.

[Quix]

Please, go ahead and give me the root word lexicon lesson on it and related words, PLEASE.

[Mr Rogers]

I don’t know if it is true, but I’ve read that PROTESTANT originally meant a proclaimer - someone with a confession of faith.

Origin:
1530–40; < G or F, for L protestantes, pl. of prp. of protestari to bear public witness. See protest, -ant