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Who are the Catholics: The Orthodox or The Romanists, or both?
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Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience

I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?

I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?


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To: 1000 silverlings; Dr. Eckleburg; RnMomof7; Gamecock

“Well I have never seen “a pastor praying over it”.

Interesting. At almost every communion (or Eucharist) I’ve been at, the pastor reads a passage, either from the Gospel or 1 Corinthians. Then he prays, and then the bread is distributed. Likewise with the (cringe) grape juice.

That isn’t praying over it in the Catholic sense - no one is claiming the bread isn’t bread, or the grape juice isn’t wine...I mean, grape juice...but a prayer is offered prior to distributing. That was what I was referring to. Sorry if I created confusion by my choice of words.


8,441 posted on 02/04/2010 12:18:11 PM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: RnMomof7

Hate makes waste.


8,442 posted on 02/04/2010 12:18:47 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg
The quotes are to express disapproval, of course.

Nope, in that post I used quotation marks to denote deliberately fabricated falsehoods (a method I've seen used on multiple occasions by anti-Catholics).

8,443 posted on 02/04/2010 12:19:10 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Mad Dawg
If facts matter ...

They never have for the anti-Catholics.

8,444 posted on 02/04/2010 12:20:50 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights
God choose Greek because it is the most precise language..

Genesis 9:27

God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant

Japheth, being the father of the Greeks, was given the prophecy that his people would share spiritual blessings with the Jews.

Alexander the Great was used by God to spread the Greek influence far and wide, making the soil "good" if you will. Then Christianity, the next step in Judaism, found a fertile garden waiting for the seed of the gospel to be spread

8,445 posted on 02/04/2010 12:21:03 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Mr Rogers; RnMomof7
Hmmm...like the "Godly word - Communion? "The act or an instance of sharing, as of thoughts or feelings."

The Lord's Supper is not a "celebration." It is a "Communion" between believers and God, not between believers and each other.

You're confusing worship with the sacrament. Just like Rome.

Christians do not worship God by partaking of Communion. They enjoy Him and are strengthened by Him through the Supper of our Lord, as He intended. The Lord's Supper is from God to us, not the other way around.

8,446 posted on 02/04/2010 12:22:15 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Quix

Perhaps others belonging to churches which use the altar call would also like to give some description.


8,447 posted on 02/04/2010 12:22:40 PM PST by John Leland 1789 (But then, I'm accused of just being a troll, so . . . .)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Christians do not worship God by partaking of Communion.

That's not your determination to make: who is or is not Christian.

You just don't get to have that kind of power.

8,448 posted on 02/04/2010 12:23:44 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski

I thought it just displayed a failure to understand how courtesy over trifles makes conversation over important things possible. Also pusillanimity


8,449 posted on 02/04/2010 12:23:52 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg
We disagree, Greek has far more descriptive words so thoughts can be narrowed.. latin became the language of the church because it was the language of the educated and the language spoken in much of the Roman world.

I have no problem with language translations, but if latin were the most precise language then God would have seen to it that the writers of the NT used latin.. (which I am sure Paul knew)

8,450 posted on 02/04/2010 12:24:04 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: RnMomof7
"Note the word "same". This does not mean a copy or a replication, but as the full Catechism states a it is a "perpetuation" of the sacrifice....Have any more?",

Why are you dancing around the legitimate source of the meaning, the Catechism of the Catholic Church? Are you afraid of accidentially stepping on the truth? I'll save you any embarrassing cookies and post directly from the Catechim:

1323 - "At the Last Supper, on the night he was betrayed, our Savior instituted the Eucharistic sacrifice of his Body and Blood. This he did in order to perpetuate the sacrifice of the cross throughout the ages until he should come again, and so to entrust to his beloved Spouse, the Church, a memorial of his death and resurrection: a sacrament of love, a sign of unity, a bond of charity, a Paschal banquet 'in which Christ is consumed, the mind is filled with grace, and a pledge of future glory is given to us.'

8,451 posted on 02/04/2010 12:25:00 PM PST by Natural Law (I'm just trying to be the person my dogs believe I am.)
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To: RnMomof7
but if latin were the most precise language then God would have seen to it that the writers of the NT used latin..

What are your thoughts on Hebrew?

8,452 posted on 02/04/2010 12:26:26 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Amen , Amen !


8,453 posted on 02/04/2010 12:26:44 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: John Leland 1789

I’ve given mine.

You’ve given yours.

Some clueless folks rant about “spiritual altars” . . .

I guess they have trouble imagining while they are praying . . . offering something up on an altar in their mind, to the Lord.

Perhaps that’s why some . . . groups . . . have such an extensive stinking pile of tangible dogma and ritual . . . a genetic paucity of imagination.


8,454 posted on 02/04/2010 12:26:50 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Natural Law
I am not the one dancing here

"This he did in order to perpetuate the sacrifice of the cross throughout the ages until he should come again"

This makes my point well

Christ died once for all ... He is no longer on the cross..HE HAS RISEN

8,455 posted on 02/04/2010 12:29:13 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: RnMomof7
Christ died once for all ... He is no longer on the cross..HE HAS RISEN

Congratulations! You agree with the Catholic Church.

8,456 posted on 02/04/2010 12:29:55 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Mr Rogers
Then he prays

Well, that's what "communion" is.

8,457 posted on 02/04/2010 12:32:14 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Mad Dawg
What are your thoughts on Hebrew?

Hebrew was Gods choice for the OT because the Jews were to be the oracles of the OT, and the language of record to Gods people.

Greek and Latin existed at the same time in the new church, God chose greek

8,458 posted on 02/04/2010 12:32:37 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: RnMomof7

Wat do you know about the spread of Latin over the eastern Med? One criticism of Gibson’s movie was that the soldiers should have been speaking Greek.


8,459 posted on 02/04/2010 12:36:25 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Petronski

Then why is he still hanging on the cross in the Catholic church?


8,460 posted on 02/04/2010 12:36:40 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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