Who are the Catholics: The Orthodox or The Romanists, or both?

Me

[the_conscience]

I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?

I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

The Legion of Mary is sanctioned by the Vatican. That's what I wrote.

Various RCs have tried to deflect the discussion to the quality of a Legion of Mary blog.

They've failed.

[Petronski]

The idea is to keep making the charge keep making the charge keep making the charge...hoping some day it will be accepted.

As Goebbels willed.

[Forest Keeper]

You know, if some Buddhist rifle maker (oxymoron?) put citations of Sutras on their product, I’d consider it an expression of good will. But quote the Bible anywhere and instantly thousands of pairs of u-trow automatically tie themselves in knots. This is one weird culture!

Yeah, it must be those slippery slopers. One day they're putting Bible verses on gun sights, and then who knows, next they'll probably mandate Christianity as the State religion at gunpoint. It only follows.

[Petronski]

We can assume that blog is likewise sanctioned by Rome... That's what you wrote.

But the assumption is laughably idiotic and, by the way, unproven.

You've failed.

[Judith Anne]

Yes.

[xzins]

So, your argument is that you really know the counsel of God because it's just feels right

No, it's that you might be assuming too much by assuming you've got the scriptures right.

[Mad Dawg]

For instance “all” does mean 100% , um not counting Jesus, when it’s all men have sinned. It does NOT mean 1005 when it suits their side. It’s really quite simple.

[Mad Dawg]

I think we need to be careful with the word “passion” which, technically, is about things that happen to one. It’s not necessarily the same thing as “feeling”.

[Quix]

[NOTE TO COMPULSIVE COMBATANTS: I realize the folks I share about below are quite controversial to many. Ranting against them will not garner much, if anything positive or at all from me on this thread. My mouth is still quite butchered up and I'm not quite as likely to be as charitable as I sometimes am. I obviously can't keep folks from writing like jerks about the following examples. I suspect I can ignore such jerk-iness above average, for me.]

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Excellent points, FK.

AS I reflect on the numerous narratives of visits to Heaven . . . the descriptions are

ALWAYS of

ROBUST EMOTIONALITY--not flighty and not idiotic or unfitting--

Just very INTENSELY APPROPRIATELY ROBUST EMOTIONALITY.

The very flowers and grasses are alive with emotion, joy, LIFE. In some narratives, it is as though the flowers turn and gleefully follow gazing at the Believers passing by.

!!!!JOY!!!! is an intensely and persistent expression rather commonly.

Love is intensely expressed; somehow without being maudlin.

Affirmations are exchanged easily, routinely, without phony affectation.

Eagerness to authentically prefer one another's priorities is consistently a way of being there--without being doormats or fawning.

What is described is the OPPOSITE of an intellectual/spiritual OHHHMMMMMMMMMMM unperturbed, sterile, emotionless average or SOP.

I certainly don't know a lot about Heaven, of course. However, I believe that a lot of those narratives are quite accurate. They just ring true to my spirit.

Roland Buck's ANGELS ON ASSIGNMENT is but one case in point:

http://www.angelsonassignment.org/

And Jesse DuPlantis as well as Mary Baxter also have vivid, convincing narratives to share. His story is unique in the anals of such in our era . . . because of the 5 hours in Heaven, he did not make it into the auditorium where he was the scheduled speaker until the middle of the service, or end of the music or some such. AND AS HE WAS MAKING HIS WAY FROM THE BACK TO THE FRONT TO SPEAK, FOLKS ON THE ASILE WHERE HE WAS WALKING UP, WERE SHOCKED TO SEE THAT HE WAS GIVING OFF A VISIBLE HEAVENLY GLOW a la Moses because of his 5 earth hours in Heaven. He had no idea he was giving off such a glow.

Here's his YouTube presentation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw-wM-u8-aA

And his website

http://www.jdm.org/jdmDefault.aspx

Jesse, BTW, was reared as a Roman Catholic et al and didn't really have that strong an opinion, originally, about Protty, Roman Catholic et al/Vatican related issues at all. He was just floating along doing his own thing until God apprehended him big time.

Mary K. Baxter, as do most such folks, also has a vivid narrative about hell.

Her website:

http://spiritlessons.com/Mary_K_Baxter_A_Divine_Revelation_of_Hell.htm

I find the better such narratives to be wonderfully affirming of God's Word about Heaven. And, to help folks realize that HEAVEN is not some wispy, etherial, wimpy, 'matrix' kind of NONPLACE. IT IS REAL. GOD OF THE ANGEL ARMIES IS REAL. IT IS TANGIBLE.

Anyway--may interested folks be edified and brought closer to Jesus in checking such things out.

Blessings,

[Mad Dawg]

We have 99 and 44/100s of the good jokes.

[Forest Keeper]

[Re: unforgivable sin:] My own personal sense . . . 1. Attributing [?emphatically?] to satan what is Holy Spirit’s work, doings. 2. Tenaciously persistently doing #1 [?&/or cursing Holy Spirit and/or His doings?] with bone marrow hostility toward God and Holy Spirit. 3. Hardened, seered conscience resulting in “guiltless” attitude—in terms of FEELINGS of guilt—about doing 1 & 2.

Yeah, I guess I was trying to figure out if Calvin was saying this could be done by knowledge without faith or not. I.e., does such a thing exist? If "yes" then was their knowledge somehow special such that a non-believer could not be in that boat today? I'm not sure, but I think Calvin would say yes, there was something special about that knowledge. Otherwise, this sin could be committed all the time today.

[Mad Dawg]

First laugh, then pull that post. I meant it to be private.

[Forest Keeper]

Note to FK: if either of the two deserves the Capitalization, it is the true UNIVERSAL (CATHOLIC) CHURCH OF JESUS THE CHRIST MADE UP OF ALL BELIEVERS. \

I hear you. I was just trying to be polite. :)

[Mr Rogers]

“I meant it to be private.”

Most folks feel that way about their anal.

[Forest Keeper]

I believe that in situation after situation . . . many hapless unbelievers will find that guns without the Bible verses are NOT to be preferred for some very important survival related reasons. God always has the last laugh.

LOL! Good point. :)

[Quix]

Would have to ponder that longer and with better capacities than I have readily available today. LOL.

Thx.

[Quix]

OOOOOPS . . . sometimes not spelling well and even using a spell checker really does get me in trouble.

LOL.

Sigh.

Annals . . . sometimes I don’t think even when I CAN . . . and no claims about THAT today!

LUBBRO.

[Mad Dawg]

Troo dat.

[Quix]

There’s a lot to be said for being polite.

. . . though usually, hereon . . . I enjoy the fiercely vivid give and take more. LOL.