Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience
I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?
I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?
Wait! You mean we're not predestined?
(only kidding.)
Paul said we WERE the children of wrath (before we were saved)
John 9;39 Jesus said, "For judgment I have come into this world so that the blind will seeand those who see will become blind."
As for hearing Christ said it clearly
Mark 4:11 11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: 12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
I think most see it is just an attempt at deflection.
There is no question that these Marian beliefs have "evolved" over time. There is no question you can not find support for these Marian beliefs in Scripture and the response is, "well Scripture doesn't deny them".
A great example of what happens when you don't hold to Scripture as the rule of your faith. An otherwise good people can become so confused they think The Gospel is foolishness.
'Cause we have better lawyers?
Because there are more Catholic members of the Mafia than Protestant members?>
Why isn't this question getting the answers it deserves?
We were predestined to monopolize it?
You people aren't even TRYING!
That’s probably good. The post I responded to sounded exactly like him, however,
Our understanding of these Marian truths has improved over time.
There is no question you can not find support for these Marian beliefs in Scripture and the response is, "well Scripture doesn't deny them".
There is no question you cannot find sola Scriptura in Scripture, making your point moot.
A great example of what happens when you don't hold to Scripture as the rule of your faith.
there is no contradiction between Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition.
An otherwise good people can become so confused they think The Gospel is foolishness.
Since the Gospel says a lot of things protestants reject, I'd say look in the mirror.
I agree. The point I was making is that solo Scripture leads to all kinds of wacky idea's in personal interpretation of Scripture . You have groups that believe the earth is only 6000 years old,other groups who deny the Trinity, etc... All of this is a result of solo scripture and how each group interprets Scripture.
I think Martin Luther said it well when he realized the reformation was a mistake and would lead to many error's.
From the words of Martin Luther...
“This one will not hear of Baptism, and that one denies the sacrament, another puts a world between this and the last day: some teach that Christ is not God, some say this, some say that: there are as many sects and creeds as there are heads. No yokel is so rude but when he has dreams and fancies, he thinks himself inspired by the Holy Ghost and must be a prophet” De Wette III, 61. quoted in O’Hare, THE FACTS ABOUT LUTHER, 208.
I gave you scripture that showed that God is not the Father of all men.. Christ's sacrifice was sufficient for all men but was applied only to the children of God.
Jesus did not pray for all men, why would you think He died for all men???
Yes. BEFORE we were saved, we were blind, and children of wrath, and slaves of sin.
A blind man can believe Jesus will heal him. A child of wrath can accept an offer of rescue, and a slave can accept the offer of freedom.
Nothing we do of ourselves will save us, but we can respond to the offer of salvation.
But not everyone will believe. And to those who reject God, God takes away whatever they had and casts them loose.
God is working both in us and with us. The encouragement to good works is not to God but to us ourselves.
Thank you. One day...
'telephone,'
I'm not real impressed by early fractured, filtered, manipulated accounts of much of anything outside of Scripture without massive tons of independent, disinterested, detached
CONFIRMATION that clearly originated from diverse sources and before that, God Almighty.
imho, Such a level of confirmation is wholesale lacking.
And, it is wholesale lacking WHILE Scripture is repeatedly AGAINST such cults of personality rather fiercely.
One of the extremely mystifying and troubling things to me . . . is to read off the scale hyperbole extolling Mary relentlessly, repeatedly--ALONGSIDE VERY MUTED--certainly wholesale relatively muted to nonexistent praise of Jesus--on the same pages.
To this country boy, THAT is super OUTRAGEOUSLY DISTURBING.
I think I'll stop there, for now. It is, however, a horrendously important and sobering issue, imho. And, it seems to be difficult to discuss it without hyperbole on both sides.
Nevertheless, Bro, Bless you in your health and every other way.
Not without an act of Gods grace they do not even know they are children of wrath, and slaves to sin ...that is why they are called blind and deaf..
Who is the natural man??
Romans 3: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness
: 15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
The only significant difference is all the hoopla immediately generated because "IT'S MARY!" . . . or, rather, wholesale assumed to be so and assumed to NOT be a wholesale deception.
ABSOLUTELY.
THANKS YET AGAIN.
LUB
I don't know the answer to everything, but this one we do know:
We see now through a glass in a dark manner; but then face to face. Now I know in part; but then I shall know even as I am known. (1 Cor. 13:12)
Over There, we shall relate, better.
Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term “Catholic”?
‘Cause we have better lawyers?
Because there are more Catholic members of the Mafia than Protestant members?>
Why isn’t this question getting the answers it deserves?
We were predestined to monopolize it?
You people aren’t even TRYING!
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INDEED! LOL.
. . . relate better OVER THERE . . . ‘cross the ‘Jordan,’ in THE PROMISED LAND . .
That’s sure my overwhelmingly intense bias.
. . . a Biblical bias, imho.
Yes. Let us not forget: Original Sin made us less human. True humanity is Christ's humanity.
They that are well have no need of a physician, but they that are sick. For I came not to call the just, but sinners (Mark 2:17)
“Not without an act of Gods grace they do not even know they are children of wrath, and slaves to sin ...that is why they are called blind and deaf..”
So, how many times do I have to write, “Apart from God’s revelation to us by his grace, no man has any hope” before folks will stop accusing me of saying we can be saved apart from God?
But God has revealed himself to all to some degree (Rom 1 & 2), and to many of us in far greater degree. Not because we seek him but because he seeks us.
But Calvinism teaches that man is saved apart from man - that God irresistibly saves some, and irresistibly damns others, all before there is belief or faith. This is based on the idea that since we are ‘dead’, we cannot ‘do’ anything in response.
However, the Jews in Acts 2 were stricken to the heart BEFORE being saved, and asked, “Brothers, what shall we do?”.
The Philippian jailer asked, “What must I do to be saved?”
God revealed himself to Cain, very explicitly, yet Cain turned away. Rahab the prostitute wasn’t one of the “Chosen People”, but she believed - and was an ancestor of Jesus Christ.
Jesus said, “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.”
There is nothing subtle or hidden in THAT passage!
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