Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience
I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?
I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?
To me, myself (channelling Obama here), what makes Aquinas's thought great is that it spurs one to awe because while it explains, it does not "explain away." Instead one is left spurred to greater devotion to greater wonder and deeper love of what "passeth all understanding," of Him who understands us and whom we cannot understand.
There is no error. Simple foreknowledge is not predestining. But that is not what I said.
Foreknowledge of an event + setting that event in motion is what I said was predestining.
Praise God!!!
“Man, you didn’t mention the blow-dry hair!”
Da-n, I ran out of the spirits just when I was supposed to write that. Just goes to prove my point about inspiration;
“If the writers of scripture had continued to write without the Holy Spirit, they would have written at their own impulse and initiative and there would be no guarantee that what God wanted was written”, not that my discernment amounted to scripture.
“Knowing isn’t causing.” So the argument needs to be made with more steps in it if we are to clarify how/whether God causes whatever happens.
I know what you said.
It's still in error.
See 6842 and then see original post again.
Very interesting thread where the “Quran is on trial” at a Dutch court in Netherlands,... title is sort of misleading..but put this in FR search and it will take you to the thread.
“Stop the Trial of Geert Wilders”
I wonder if it's meaningful to ask if "freedom" could be predestined.
You’re wrong.
All that can be said.
LOL
Because you say so?
Yep. I’m right.
:-)
“So, while the “actions” of “God’s creatures” do not “determine” His decisions that does not mean those actions are not “involved” in the deliberation that precedes His decisions.”
But then God’s plans would be hostage to the whims of un-caused free will.
God chooses after deliberating on the wisest course of action to accomplish his purpose. Given un-caused free will, God cannot guarantee that what he decides will be carried out. No matter how much God inclines someone’s will toward what he has chosen, such inclination, on an un-caused account of free will, can never be sufficient to produce God’s decreed action. If non-caused free will is correct, God cannot guarantee that he knows what will happen, for anyone could always do otherwise than he expects one to do.
Eph. 1:11 indicates that what occurs is foreordained by God, and nothing external to God such as the foreseen actions or merits of God’s creatures determines his choices. God deliberates, chooses and accomplishes all things on the basis of his purposes. He accomplishes some things through the agency of others (humans, angels and so on) or second causes but they do not determine his plan.
Nope. God omniscience is without error. It is perfect.
“LOL”
Well, I guess that proves you right; “Hasn’t everyone had at least one experience where no matter how hard you tried the friend you talked with just refused to believe”.
The Legion of Mary is an Association of Catholics who, with the sanction of the Church and under the powerful leadership of Mary Immaculate, Mediatrix of all Graces (who is fair as the moon, bright as the sun, and - to satan and his legionaries - terrible as an army set in battle array), have formed themselves into a Legion for service in the warfare which is perpetually waged by the Church against the world and its evil powers. - I am all Yours my Queen and my Mother and all that I have is Yours!
Wow! I saw the long knives come out at you after this. What came over you for quoting from a website of an organization APPROVED by the Vatican? Well, if websites of Vatican approved organizations are filled with crazies, then that sure cuts down on available sources. It sure seems like the vast majority of websites by Catholics are blasphemous according to OTHER CATHOLICS! :)
In any case, your thesis is undeniable. It really takes no stretch of the imagination to suppose where all of these crazy Catholic websites get their crazy ideas. Obviously, it is their attempt to interpret the actual words of official Catholic teaching. I thought the Catholic Church was supposed to be the codebook to the indecipherable Holy Bible, apparently the most cryptic work of literature in history. Now it seems we need a codebook for the codebook. I don't think we can really blame many of these crazy Catholic websites (as they appear to be deemed by our Catholic friends) for what they are saying. They're just reading the official words and taking them at face value.
Here is another website by Catholics that includes another document, Dives in misericordia 1980.11.30. An excerpt:
[Note: if you want to see where this actually is in the document it is in front of footnote 108.] What in the world are we and indeed the Catholic laity SUPPOSED to think after reading this? It's no wonder that Catholics read this and assume it means what it looks like it means, hence all the Catholic websites by "crazies". Some guardian and protector of the Faith. SHEESH! :)
She didn't she posted from a BLOG. Which is fairly typical of what some routinely attempt to pass-off as "official Catholic websites".
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