Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience
I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?
I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?
Ahem. In this thread I have THREE posts whose number ends in 00. Just sayin’.
It was predestined
LOL!
Last time around, we got Zero.
Next time, we'll get Double Zero.
That's you, buddy. Congratulations!
Thank you! ;-D
One of the problems I have with Sola Scriptura is how limited words are. We can say the words, "A beautiful sunset" and not convey a trillionth of what such a thing means, the transitory glorious beauty of God sending us a message, "I LOVE you," the seasonal changes of even one landscape perspective...words are too small. Yet that is where, many times, we encounter Him.
We can open ourselves to Sacred Scripture, and be absolutely carried away in a flood of meaning. No discussion of translations, doctrines, contradictory-SEEMING verses can possibly have any relationship to the Glory of God touching our hearts with His Holy Spirit.
Exactly the same with the Mass, or the Litany of the Saints, or Sacred Music, or the precious Liturgy, or the Rosary, or the Divine Mercy Chaplet. Through narrow words we glimpse the Whole, and He blesses us.
And the magnitude of meaning in your first sentence: Everyone who walked and talked with Jesus between His conception and His ascension saw God. Can you tell I am just coming out of my daily prayers? LOL!
Sorry to hang my mild ecstasy on your lovely post...
I look JUST LIKE HIM! Especially the flat stomach and broad shoulders. Yes, separated at birth! uh HUH. And the chin.
Okay, Sarah is my running mate, I'm announcing right now. And she gets to run the making the congress look like the idiots they are duties ....
This is talking about God the father , not Christ
So how did "sister" live to tell the tale?? or does scripture lie?
Further, I;m entirely serious: I read the same passage you did and did not see a claim that she saw the Father. She saw light within which was the Father. She didn't say she knew He was in there because she saw Him.
That's your interpretation ... On the other hand, Jesus tells Phillip that anyone who has seen Him has seen the Father. So there's that ... See the Son, See the Father.
Then, there's the question of interpreting St. Faustina's vision (as translated into English from Polish. Did she claim to actually see the Father, or to have seen a "great light" in which the Father was concealed? I think the latter interpretation is at least as reasonable as the former.
So, back to the topic:
You wrote: “He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.”
I wrote: “Eternal Father, I offer You the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Your dearly beloved Son, Our Lord Jesus Christ, in atonement for our sins and those of the whole world.”
Fascinating, the similarity. Congratulations: You’re closer to being Catholic than you seem to realize.
I should add that NONE of us are infallible interpreters of Scripture ... we should exercise at least a little humility in bandying about our personal interpretations thereof.
After this I looked, and, behold, a door [was] opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard [was] as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and [one] sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and [there was] a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. - Revelation 4:1-3
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. - Revelation 5:6-7
God's Name is I AM.
No , I mean what do the WORDS mean what is a propitiation to you? What does the word atonement to you ? Did Christ die for your sins (save you) or did he die to make heaven a possibility ?
There's no "perhaps" about it. Sr. Faustina Kowalska experienced a lengthy series of visions and personal revelations, which she recorded in a diary. After no little controversy within the Church, after her death (IIRC), her diary was published and led to the somewhat popular devotion to "The Divine Mercy" ... my initial post linked a site promoting that devotion.
Lest there be any confusion, we (Catholics) do not regard personal revelations to be in any way equal to the Sacred Scriptures ... belief in or acceptance of even "approved" visions or revelations is in no way required.
Also sorry, but I sense a perseverance of the saints trap ahead. Calm my fears, okay?
Margaret Mary Alacoque, she of the Sacred Heart, had a confessor who doubted the reality of her visions. He said, “Okay, the next time you converse with the Lord, ask him what the greatest sin I ever confessed was.”How's that?Time passed and she said, “I have seen the Lord.”
He said, “Did you ask Him?”
She said,”Bien sur.”
He said, What did He say?”
She said, “He said, ‘I forget.’”
I dare to approach Him. I dare to lay myself and my sins before Him. I dare to hope that He might act through me. I see a hawk flying before me down the road and I know whom to thank.
THe WORD "propitiation" means He is not mad at me. The word "atonement" means we are reconciled, that He is taking over my heart so that I can will, by His grace, what He wills.
Any better?
God can not lie, and he says no one can actually see HIM and live.. what John saw was the value and the beauty of the father, but not the actual form of the Father
FYI
Why those Jewels?
From Jamieson, Fausset & Brown
The sardine, our cornelian, or else a fiery red. As the watery brightness represents God's holiness, so the fiery red His justice executing fiery wrath. The same union of white or watery brightness and fiery redness appears in Rev 1:14 10:1 Eze 1:4 8:2 Dan 7:9 .
Some believe that this is the judgement seat of Christ before which all Christians will be judged
Matthew Henery is one of my favorite old commentators and He comments below
"2. He saw a glorious one upon the throne. This throne was not empty; there was one in it who filled it, and that was God, who is here described by those things that are most pleasant and precious in our world: His countenance was like a jasper and a sardine-stone; he is not described by any human features, so as to be represented by an image, but only by his transcendent brightness. This jasper is a transparent stone, which yet offers to the eye a variety of the most vivid colours, signifying the glorious perfections of God; the sardine-stone is red, signifying the justice of God, that essential attribute of which he never divests himself in favour of any, but gloriously exerts it in the government of the world, and especially of the church, through our Lord Jesus Christ. This attribute is displayed in pardoning as well as in punishing, in saving as well as in destroying sinners."
That is what I understood also as a Catholic..
Once asked by a baptist if I was saved, I told her I "worked" at it every day ...
I knew you were a convert and wondered if you had brought any of your old theology with you :)
And indeed God does forget by His mercy .. He says He will see them no more (they are covered ya know :)
There has to be someone not telling the truth here,either sister or God,I think I will lean toward believing Gods word.. :)
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