Who are the Catholics: The Orthodox or The Romanists, or both?

Me

[the_conscience]

I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?

I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?

[Iscool]

Does your redacted Bible still include Matthew 25:31-46?

Sure it does...And it also has:

Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

And:

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

You can call yourself a goat...But do you know why there are goats in Matthew 25??? It's because there's no grace...You betcha...Those people will be judged by their good and bad works...

After Jesus died, Grace came...It came to the adopted church...

Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

You want to keep yourself under the law??? Be my guest...I'm under Grace...

You have a dilema...You pick what scripture you want to apply to yourself and throw the others away...Have at it...

[Iscool]

I'm still waiting for you to produce the secret orders that Constantine (as secret head of the Church) secretly ordered Jerome to do in secret even though Constantine secretly died 10 years before Jerome was secretly born.

You apparently don't read all the posts...That's already been covered...

Oh, and so you've read the 'original' Greek as well??? Tsk, Tsk....

[Iscool]

There is nothing that leads me to believe that this is even remotely possible.

I suspect you are right...Quite an admission by you...

[Iscool]

There might be some variant reading (if you can give me one, that is fine with me), but in all three cases above, we concern ourselves with the word ὑστερήματα

G5303
ὑστέρημα
husterēma
hoos-ter'-ay-mah From G5302; a deficit; specifically poverty: - that which is behind, (that which was) lack (-ing), penury, want.

The word you picked is not the same word used by the KJV translators...

You referenced Nestles...Nestles has revised it's translation so many times that the words in use may change from month to month...

Wescort and Hort use your Egyptian manuscripts for their version and I don't know about Stephen...

Thayer's: 1. deficiency, that which is lacking 2. in reference to property and resources, poverty, want, destitution

The word the KJV translators used can be translated that which is behind...And it correctly was...

The KJV translators may have consulted Stephen's translation but they certainly were not limited to it...

Evidence does not stand with you, Iscool. If your theology is in disagreement the Scriptures, it appears as if you'd prefer to adjust the Scriptures to meet your theology, rather than vice versa.

You mean evidence from your Catholic Egyptian manuscripts...And I wholeheartedly agree...The KJV translators had the right manuscripts and they made the right translation...

[Forest Keeper]

The SBC Baptist Faith & Message says, “A New Testament church of the Lord Jesus Christ is an autonomous local congregation of baptized believers, associated by covenant in the faith and fellowship of the gospel ...

Thanks, Mr. Rogers. You are so right to point out the importance of autonomy to us, as even distinguished from otherwise like-minded Bible believing Christians.

[Iscool]

Your posts are becoming entertaining, not from the point of their bigoted content, but in discovering how yet again some point manages to be wrong, and whether those points are differently wrong, or the same wrong.

It appears the rest of the Catholic world believes Mary sacrificed Jesus apart from the handful of you FR Rambos...Apparently y'all just can't leave your Protestant roots behind...

[Petronski]

Nobody here hates Catholics, their priests, their bishops, their cardinals, or their pope.

Should we expect such hatred to be admitted?

[Iscool]

Now some say that the greek word is used only twice.

Wasn't speaking of the Greek word...Was speaking of the English phrase; that which is lacking and that which is behind...

But you said it was used four or five times??? Does that make you as stupid as you are trying to make me look???

[John Leland 1789]

“Should we expect such hatred to be admitted?”

I’m going to take it that you are not as many in the civil rights movement who are:

1. looking for ways to claim hatred against you;
2. playing the victim card.

[Iscool]

You see, in Greek the plural form is often different from the singular. This might be where the confusion lies.

I'm not confused at all...The translators already worked thru the confusion for me...

[Petronski]

I am not “looking for ways to claim hatred against” me. Rather, that hatred is parading itself on this thread in proud display.

I am not “playing the victim card.” Hatred of Catholics and the Catholic Church is not a game, it is not a pleasant dalliance to kill time before pottery class or a sport with score-keeping...there is no playing involved in any of this.

[RnMomof7]

The scriptures clearly teach salvation is all of God, nothing of man or his works.

Thanks for a great post

[John Leland 1789]

“I am not ‘looking for ways to claim hatred against’ me. Rather, that hatred is parading itself on this thread in proud display.

“I am not ‘playing the victim card.’ Hatred of Catholics and the Catholic Church is not a game, it is not a pleasant dalliance to kill time before pottery class or a sport with score-keeping...there is no playing involved in any of this.”

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Well, then, do you feel threatened? Do you feel like anyone on these threads is preparing to seek out Catholic churches and spray paint graffiti on them, or attack your priests, and knock over your statues? Or try to block entrance to the churches?

[Iscool]

Looks like the only one that agrees with the KJV is the Douay. Interesting. Hmmmmm...

Not at all...The DRB has stuck punctuation in there that doesn't belong to make it look like Jesus hasn't suffered enough, we have to make it up...

Seems like that "lacking" stuff may not be exclusively in the realm of Catholicism. Looks like a few folk on the other side of the fence just might agree on that one.

The one thing they all have in common outside of the KJV is that they are all using the Catholic Egyptian manuscripts as their source...

Let's take a look at what some prominent Protestant commentators had to say about this:

Commentators are good...But they are not inspired...And each latest author, you can be sure, read the previous one before he sat down to pen his own...

One thing they all seem to miss is that free world Christians are not known for suffering for Jesus Christ...I'm thinking that should be a consideration before sitting down to write a commentary on the verse...

[Petronski]

Do you feel like anyone on these threads is preparing to seek out Catholic churches and spray paint graffiti on them, or attack your priests, and knock over your statues? Or try to block entrance to the churches?

Are these the only kinds of threats you can imagine? You're talking about brick and mortar.

What about the threat--the direct, ongoing, palpable threat--to TRUTH that these lies about the Catholic Church represent?

[Petronski]

The scriptures clearly teach salvation is all of God, nothing of man or his works.

No. Scriptures do not teach this.

Your own personal interpretation of Scripture teaches this.

And so what?

[Running On Empty]

This whole post is nonsense masquerading as truth.

[AnAmericanMother]

Quite true. But we don't have original manuscripts for very much of anything - and in the days of handwritten copies, the likelihood of that (or even being able to figure out which was the original source) seems slim. Drat whoever actually did burn down the Library in Alexandria (there are several candidates for that dubious distinction).

But when you have 4-6 different surviving copies, from different provenances, and all contain the same text, it's quite likely that they are faithful to the (unavailable) original.

[MarkBsnr]

Does your redacted Bible still include Matthew 25:31-46? Sure it does...And it also has:

Romans

Ephesians

Romans

For all your claiming of Jesus, you still don't post any Jesus or Christ in your posts. Is it that you can't even bring yourself to say His Name? What is it? Is there no Christ in your Christianity?

[MarkBsnr]

You apparently don't read all the posts...That's already been covered...

I must have missed your reply. Which post was it?