I didn't realize that your group shredded dictionary tore out "dissemble."
What a surprise!
Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience
I suppose I could go a lot of the distance you outline, Bro.
However, I don’t believe that’s an adequate explanation for what is so routinely observable.
Even on FR . . . it’s like pulling teeth to get anything remotely like an honest appraisal and discussion of the problem.
I think you and MarkOMalley are the only ones who will deal honestly and reasonably with the issues involved.
Virtually all the other Roman Catholic et al posters on FR seem to bend over backwards justifying the unjustifiable to some (usually brazen) degree or another.
THAT’S VERY telling, Bro. To me, there’s no other way to interpret such a phenomenon.
And, again—WHERE THERE’S NO PROBLEM, I have nothing to say about NO PROBLEM.
With that partial line I can agree. But Quix, if we are free anywhere, we are free in our thoughts. Imputing anything like that is mind-reading. Is such a thing possible?
I have never EVER heard anyone claim to be a "model Christian." Nor have I ever heard anyone say, "I am God's representative." Nevertheless, for good or ill, we DO represent our Church. I pray that I represent her as well as possible for me to do. But I claim no special goodness. We ALL know (or for God's sake, we should) that we are sinners, me most especially.
Now go get that nap, and quit being so gawdy. ;-D
What a surprise!
thx.
BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD.
Sorry, but as I’ve said, I don’t read your Playskool gibberish.
WHen, as is my plan, I combine in my person the offices of Emperor and Pope, every clergyperson of whatever denomination will have to do something like that OR will have to sit through ten of my sermons. (No one has been known to survive that. They WILL comply.)
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I’d vote with you on that. LOL.
Occasionally, here and there . . . no argument . . .
WHEN the data from so many . . . examples . . .
piled so high . . . even subtle nuances begin to scream.
Most of us pretend (to some degree at some point in our lives) to ourselves that our inner thoughts etc. are not detectable by anyone—even God.
When, in fact, MOST OF THE TIME, as Scripture says
OUT OF THE ABUNDANCE OF THE HEART—THE MOUTH SPEAKS
. . . and the eyes indicate
. . . and the face indicates
. . . and the body language indicates
. . . and the attitudes indicate
. . . and repeated actions indicate
. . . and word choices and tones indicate
. . .
Great pic.
Thx.
Your assertion sounds as though you expect that I expect that you would.
MY, individual, personal, not official, Catholic take on Col 1:24 is "Of course it is outrageous to suggest that Christ's suffering is insufficient in itself, but he has graciously invited us to share in it as we come to share in Him."
And, mutatis mutandis sorta, the same with Phil 2:12-13. God work in me is (a)sufficient and more so, and (b) miraculously able to summon me to share in the work in a meaningful way.
Similarly with Sovereignty of God. Some see the possibility of free subjects to be an impingement on the Sovereignty of God. Out one step beyond the edge of my imagining is the notion that TRUE sovereignty, the Supreme sovereignty would be measure by the number of free people in the picture.
And look at what we find!
Conquering kings their titles take,
from the lands they captive make;
Jesus, by a nobler deed,
from the thousands he hath freed.
Yes; none other name is given
unto mortals under heaven,
which can make the dead arise,
and exalt them to the skies.
“Virtually all the other Roman Catholics et al posters on FR seem to bend over backwards justifying the unjustifiable to some (usually brazen) degree or another”.
“Virtually all”-—not true at all. There are many Catholic posters here and many are capable of reasonable and civil discourse. Very few have a “signature” type of posting. (Maybe that’s a tribute to humility)
“...justifying the unjustifiable”. I don’t think “justify” is the right word. Neither is “unjustifiable”. You are defining your own personal definition of those words. I would say—in my own personal opinion-—that the Catholics here are simply, and with good cause, defending what they believe. This isn’t hard to understand—we are expected to do that for what we believe. To justify is not the same as to defend.
“...it’s like pulling teeth to get anything like an honest appraisal and discussion of the problem”. Well,then, it would be most honest and reasonable for you to offer the same of which you consider necessary. I think that would be much more in line with what you are asking of others; like, really posting something substantial in a discussion without the shrill, accusative language and the here-I-am colored fonts and capitals. “That’s very telling, Bro.—to me.....”
About that “routinely observable”-—that cuts both ways and we all know it. I expect that everyone reading on this forum is “routinely observing”.
I have no argument with that, but Quix, no one can control any other person’s thoughts. They are between us and God. Humans cannot intervene in another’s mind. The spiritual world has access, but any human trying to influence the spirits is engaging in occult behavior.
If someone does not like you, or me, so what? The only important thing is Eternal Life through Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. And HE said, “Love God and your neighbor.”
I will be impressed when I see your side lay down the accusations, stop telling us what we are thinking, stop worrying about what we may pray, and leave us to God alone. Insults do not help. We are commanded to return good for evil.
Well said.
LOL!
We went to their exhibition.
Unlike most figure skaters, this was two hours of their best routines concluding with the Bolero.
It was enchanting!
ROFL! “I can explain the shrine, honest”
Careful, you never know when an enemy may take that and run with it...;-D
That is amazing information about her. Really neat.
“”Of course it is outrageous to suggest that Christ’s suffering is insufficient in itself, but he has graciously invited us to share in it as we come to share in Him.”
Invited us to share in the suffering by proclaiming the Gospel? Yes.
Invited us to share in the suffering by which he atoned (past tense) for all? Nope.
“11But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent ( not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) 12he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. 13For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, 14how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.
15Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant...
...24For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. 25Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, 26for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, 28so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.” - Heb 9
Invited us to share in the suffering by which he atoned (past tense) for all? Nope.
So, then it would be wrong, in your view, to offer our physical suffering to Christ as a gift to unite ourselves more fully to Him?
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