Who are the Catholics: The Orthodox or The Romanists, or both?

Me

[the_conscience]

I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?

I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?

[Natural Law]

"The imagery that probably best depict this is that of a gaggle of streetwalkers coming out of the whorehouse with the Madam patting them on their backs for their good work."

Have you no shame? Comparing the Catholics to street walkers and the Catholic Church to a whorehouse is a new low even for you.

[Iscool]

I’ll admit, that they persist in using the word ‘church’ where congregation would be more accurate...

What influences that opinion??? The word church used thruout the KJV is the same word that was used in Matt. 16...IF you are correct, Jesus then built a congregation, not a church...Jesus' body is a congregation...

The Greek word for congregation was used only once in the NT...

[RnMomof7]

What kind of works?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

I used to take comfort in the perception that at least Roman Catholics were Trinitarians.

However, after all these threads and comments and worshipful tags by Roman Catholics about Mary and her position in the Roman Catholic church, any Christian would have to wonder.

Can they not see "there is a lie in their right hand?"

Consider the thousands of websites put up by faithful Roman Catholics such as this one which blurs the line between mortal mother and divine Son so that the following prayer is made to Mary and Jesus as if they were one person...

ACT OF CONSECRATION TO THE MOST SACRED HEART OF JESUS AND IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY

Most Sacred Heart of Jesus and Immaculate Heart of Mary, I CONSECRATE myself and my whole family to you. We consecrate to you: our very being and all our life. All that we are. All that we have. and all that we love. To you we give our bodies, our hearts and our souls. To you we dedicate our home and our country. Mindful of this CONSECRATION, we now promise you to live the Christian way by the practice of Christian virtues, with regard for human respect.

O most Sacred Heart of Jesus and Immaculate Heart of Mary, accept our humble confidence and this ACT OF CONSECRATION by which we entrust ourselves and all our family to you. In you, we put all our hope and we shall never be confounded.

MOST SACRED HEART OF JESUS, HAVE MERCY ON US. IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY, BE OUR SALVATION.

"...heart of Mary, be our salvation???"

No wonder so many Roman Catholics seem so confused when scripture is finally presented to them. "One God and one mediator between God and men, Christ Jesus."

The two figures in the following picture certainly seem to display a peculiar and anti-Trinitarian parity. They even look like the same person...

[Hegewisch Dupa]

Even look like the same person? A resemblance 'tween mother and Son?!?!?!?

Well, I guess we know that doctorate ain't in genetics...

[Pyro7480]

They even look like the same person...

LOL! You crack me up, Doc. OF COURSE the artist would make them look similar. After, SHE IS HIS MOTHER!

[esquirette]

Incoming.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

There has NEVER been a single photo that shows the Blessed Mother being crucified.

That is simply not true. We have two photos of statues depicting Mary on the cross. We have a picture of Mary in front of the cross, giving the impression she is very nearly on the cross. Awhile ago Gamecock posted photos from RC websites of numerous RC trinkets showing Mary on the cross.. We have thousands of RC websites asking for her salvation and thanking her for her sacrifice.

Sacrilege is not pretty.

[Mad Dawg]

Yeah! What did steetwalkers ever do to HIM?

Um, wait.

[Running On Empty]

That was one of worst posts I’ve seen on this forum and I’ve seen plenty.

the_conscience needs a conscience.

This thread has been in spin-out several times in its course here, and that was one of them.

The level of discourse by some here must be very evident to the non-posting lurkers who are reading.

I’m grateful for the Catholic posters here, especially the ones who have made every effort to be reasonable and to offer reasonable proofs and explanations.

Deo gratias

[Mad Dawg]

Not in Col 1:24 they didn’t. That is the most disgraaceful shuck and jive I can recall seeing in the translation business.

[Mad Dawg]

Problem with YOUR theory is that you START by assuming you know what the Scriptures say and then change them to suit your opinion. That’s one of the many reasons (making up architectural details would be another) that you guys have decreasing credibility with us.

[wagglebee]

That is simply not true. We have two photos of statues depicting Mary on the cross.

No, you have a picture of the Blessed Mother and Child on the BACK of a cross. NOTHING in the picture depicts the Mother and Child being crucified.

We have a picture of Mary in front of the cross, giving the impression she is very nearly on the cross.

I didn't get that impression at all.

We have thousands of RC websites asking for her salvation and thanking her for her sacrifice.

The thing is you have yet to post a SINGLE Catholic website that mentions asking the Blessed Mother for salvation. You have posted links to people who CLAIM to be Catholic and happen to have websites that say this (truth be told, I found the website of the Jewish mystic from Brooklyn that you tried to pass off as a Catholic website, and YES I do have a link for when you tried that, far more entertaining), but you have yet to EVER post an actual Catholic site that says ANY of the things you claim.

Sacrilege is not pretty.

Does false witness offend you?

[wagglebee]

I’m beginning to wonder where the line even is. If something similar to that had been written about Jews or blacks, the poster would be gone.

[Natural Law]

"No wonder so many Roman Catholics seem so confused when scripture is finally presented to them."

You haven't demonstrated your point unless your point is that you will resort to any distortion to try to demonstrate your spiritual superiority. Your inability to comprehend the difference between veneration and worship and the projection of your own pathologies doesn't change the Church.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

There has NEVER been a single photo that shows the Blessed Mother being crucified.

If trinkets and statues and pictures of Mary on the cross are wrong, then rather than denying the obvious, shouldn't Roman Catholics be trying to correct their fellow Roman Catholics and the errant theology that leads to this blasphemy?

[wagglebee]

I can’t imagine what it must be like to go through life totally unencumbered by a conscience.

[Hegewisch Dupa]

her version of Mary on the cross is about the same as “Fruit Loops are part of this complete breakfast” simply by being photographed next to eggs, bacon and orange juice.

[MarkBsnr]

Shoot and move: The argument was that our mention of MAry in our worship showed that we worship her. Our retorts and ridicule were directed at THAT argument.

You wanna talk about bathtubs, fine, but that’s a different argument.